How much does "your" diabetes cost

ruthbia said:
@you are wearing all the reason.We are privileged.In Europe there are countries whose coverage is partial, Germany or France where each one is subscribed to cover the percentage that the SS does not cover.In Switzerland there are no SS, they are all private insurance (they offered me a position there and I was looking at it)

I am in favor that each one paid according to their income, because there are a lot of people who economically should pay a little more and that would give a clearance for other people more needy.Especially pensioners with high pensions that take everything for free and accumulate.(My aunt with € 2400 of pension accumulates quiet and lexatin per kilos)

I debuted in Sanitas, for the emergency room and when they discharged me, the endocrine that went to the SS that Sanitas does not cover anything and the treatment is very expensive.I did so.

Currently only pay the Amazon glucose strips at a rate of € 25 each box of 50 strips.I have been 4.5 years paying the freestyle, € 60/unit, first on 1 and then the 2, in addition that in its day I also bought the reader € 60, about € 1,440 a year.

@_Tacker_ I don't know what you chase because you have given yourself the cost response.

In Andalusia, pensioners also pay according to rent, some pay 0 but most 10% and some more.

Diabetics in Mexico looking for insulin in garbage cubes.Pfffff.

This thread is not toxic, but the following.No fucking case and put the OP to the list of ignored.

Host.

Cristóbal Cortés said:
diabetics in Mexico looking for insulin in garbage cubes.Pfffff.

This thread is not toxic, but the following.No fucking case and put the OP to the list of ignored.

Hostía.

What you say genius, when you are more than three months working in Mexico and live two more there, and colleagues or acquaintances tell you among other things that have relatives in such precarious situation that they look for medications such as insulin or even aspirin in the garbage of centersHealth and hospitals in Querétaro and Mexico DF ...... I will tell you the next time they speak with them that are liars ..... what a penalty penalty ...

I have already commented that public health must be urgently renovated because it has become a bottomless well that does not stop growing and consuming more and more resources.

I would like to point out that health is not free, it is paid as in all countries of the world only that is paid here via taxes and is a solidarity system, but free is not ... which means that probably as long as they do not touch anything in healthTaxes will continue to climb for everyone, from the rich to the humble, because the expense also rises more and more.The other option is to let the health eat with pensions the public budget, but this will not happen because the EU asks (demands) budgetary balance.

I do not agree with private health systems, it does not sleep just as quiet and that is the truth.However, I also do not agree with coffee for everyone that is mounted here, because in the end what happens is that we all have health care but this is poor and when the patient comes the blow of reality and you end up getting fighting for a derivation to a derivationSpecialist, blood analysis, an ultrasound or an adequate number of reactive strips to control glucose.

The problem of health is not very different from that of pensions, an excessively generous system that is mounted is no longer sustainable.And when something is not sustainable or efficiently, it must be modified to seek sustainability and efficiency.Now the minister with the theme pensions has taken the mechanism of intergenerational solidarity out of the sleeve, which is basically another pincon to the worker's payrolGoing with health at the time someone realizes that the health system does not work well but at the same time have no guts to take drastic measures, that some generalized tax will be invented and to continue emptying the Spaniards pocket.

Medicines for example should be controlled, what is that accumulating medicines?Possibly those millions that go on medicines that are later in an accumulated closet are those that are then missing so as not to walk racrating lancets and reactive strips or continuous monitoring devices.Or a good leg prosthesis who needs it for example, not as a lady who knows that what they offer is a stick leg like who says.

It is not about cutting rights to people, it is about properly structuring the system to work.So that those X million that leave in people who accumulate medicines are not those who then cause cuts in diabetic attention or to people with other problems.

For example, it seems good that who does not need continuous monitoring does not have it, what does not seem good to me is that they are dizzy that needs it because some enlightened has decided that the misuse of medicines that a percentage of the population makesCounterreste giving bad attention to diabetics.

There I have my father to last the reactive strips 2 months, but between the doctor gives him the palmadita on his back and that they have already made him embarrass or have conditioned him telling him that they have to last him for time because we are so we are so.Many people still tell them to click 1 time in the morning and voila, and some even dare to say that with clicking 2 or 3 times a week it is going well.

In the end I have not responded how much my diabetes costs: D The answer is depends on what one wants to impute as an expense linked to diabetes.

At the moment I carry 2 glucometers bought from my pocket + reactive strips.And some private consultations in different specialists who have had to pay because in public health you can die waiting for the header to accept that their knowledge does not get so far as a medical one.

Hello, in the Community of Madrid they give me in the health center the reactive strips that I need (I measure glucose 6 times a day by indication of the endocrine) needles and lancets, the insulin feathers and the metformin go on the health cardAnd I just take what I need.I have tried to also put the strips, needles and lancets on the card but they have told me that it is not possible.As I go to the health center for my foot priests, I don't care, but then it will be a bit royo.They also gave me the glucometer I use.My nurse from the health center has contacted the endocrine to see if you can give me the sensor, but she has answered that in Madrid, for type 2, it is approved this year but does not know when

Well, I don't know how people can accumulate diabetes, my daughter gives the right sensors and insulin that needs, the strips are purchased.
The public system always benefits the patient, private ones are businesses.

I don't understand how people may not put on the sensors to sell them.My free results I share with an account from the hospital, and every time I go they check my glycemia and the times I have scanned the sensor.I understand that if I didn't use it, they would stop giving it to me, which would seem totally normal.They give me what I use, neither more nor less.

regina said:
because I don't know how diabetes material can accumulate, my daughter is given the fair sensors and the insulin that needs, the strips buy them.
The public system always benefits the patient, private ones are businesses.

In their day I already put a message on the business that some do with diabetes, there are those who put on Walapop dozens of sales sensors, gluconometers, reactive strips, etc ....

regina said:
because I don't know how diabetes material can accumulate, my daughter is given the fair sensors and the insulin that needs, the strips buy them.
The public system always benefits the patient, private ones are businesses.

Between what is in the United States and what we have here, there are valid and coherent options in my regina opinion.

Private health is a business, we agree.But neither do we assume that the public are all advantages, because in the end the concept of management does not understand public or private.When the header dates you so as not to refer specialist or not send an ultrasound is managing resources, as they do in private health.Simply the rules of the game are different (you pay, I attend and listen to you vs you do not pay but you are a number and you must accept it).

In the end, believe me, they will have to put copags in health even if they are symbolic (what you collect + what you stop spending as a deterrent).It is not possible that in this country children of appendicitis are dying not detected in time after going 3 times to emergency or people who detect carcinogenic tumors with 1 year or more of delay.And that is a problem that is not resolved by raising the number of nurses and doctors every year by thousands (= more expense = more taxes = one day people will say here and explode) but taking control and efficiency measures.

I see around me a lot of young people who have gotten out of the ship, they are no longer willing to work for 1000 euros if those 1000 euros are not going to mean progress (access to housing etc) because they have seen their parents win less but buy 1and 2 homes.And that is a big problem because the system needs them to stay afloat.And I don't think we are going to convince them otherwise by removing 5 euros a month for "intergenerational solidarity mechanism" instead of leaving them in their pocket, because they will very right that those 5 euros are charged to which they consume them instead ofCharge them to him, which would certainly be the most logical because in this country everyone has 5 euros.

And every time a very dangerous phenomenon is being seen, young people with 16 or 17 years old who before starting to be professional in a field are focused on finishing studying and going abroad without even trying their luck in Spain.Its main priority in school age is to learn languages, not mathematics or history or anything like that.

@Karl85 of free nothing, that take away 6.35% on a price base that has just uploaded the government and does not compute so that you charge your pension in the future.

Copagagos should be mandatory or even suppress 100% coverage as in France or Germany.
In Spain, efficiency and efficiency with private management are achieved, at least in Madrid it is great in what touches me.

He joins the little desire to work on some doctors, with his lack of ethics and dedication to the patient (2+2 = 4 but if one comes to me 2+3 = 4 I tell him that he has nothing, a paracetamol and returnanother day) Minimum effort law.
Look at strikes, so complain about the number of patients per doctor in primary care and in the end the agreement has been € 450/month.They changed the terms until it took pasta, nothing of num patients, no afternoon shifts, or extra hours, neither more doctors or anything.Only consolidate the monthly salary.

That is another problem closely linked to everything that is public, that the worker has the power to collapse a service if he proposes it and in the end you have to give up.And giving up to the best means that overnight the invoice has risen x million euros a year only in salaries.

The truth is that I think this country has no solution, there are established bases that are very difficult to change.People are not prepared to accept that perhaps we live in a country that does not give so much public generosity, and that many things will have to pay in the future if we want there to be a public system that is there for serious things.

What is clear is that if you are detected a cancer with 1 year of delay, there will surely be little to treat.And I am sure that the one who suffers this bad luck will say that he would have preferred to pay 5 or 10 euros in exchange for greater agility, but surely, although now it is totally contrary to this.

@Karl85, here in Oviedo kidney transplants have an average of one year of waiting.
Hopefully my daughter never needs it, but those things are the ones that reassure me of public health.
A medical test can be paid without further problem, but, a transplant?Or a cancer pointer treatment?Nor with the best insurance.
That we never lack our public health.

Regina nobody is considering that a renal transplant should be paid.Precisely what I say is that there are many things that must be changed so that others as serious as cancer or a transplant can continue to attend in the future with all guarantees and without worries about having to pay an invoice.

But perhaps you have to start charging 5 euros to the 100 that have passed through nephrology with anything serious or urgent, so that the 101 that is serious and has an urgency to be treated without any copayment being requested.

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karl85 said:
In the end I have not responded how much my diabetes costs: D The answer is depends on what one wants to impute as an expense linked to diabetes.

At the moment I carry 2 glucometers bought from my pocket + reactive strips.And some private consultations in different specialists who have had to pay because in public health you can die waiting for the header to accept that their knowledge does not get so far as a medical one.

This is a lie.At least, in Spanish public health, in any modality, they will not make you pay strips or glucometers.Stop posting shit, fuck.

Cristóbal Cortés said:

karl85 said:
In the end I have not responded how much my diabetes costs: D The answer is depends on what one wants to impute as expenselinked to diabetes.

At the moment I carry 2 glucometers bought from my pocket + reactive strips.And some private consultations in different specialists who have had to pay because in public health you can die waiting for the header to accept that their knowledge does not get so far as a medical one.

This is a lie.At least, in Spanish public health, in any modality, they will not make you pay strips or glucometers.Stop posting shits, fuck.

It depends on each community.In Catalonia they only give you up to 4 strips a maximum day (and that types1) if you want more you have to buy them.

I spent years claiming but I always had to pay the others, me.

Cristóbal Cortés said:

karl85 said:
In the end I have not responded how much my diabetes costs: D The answer is depends on what one wants to impute as expenselinked to diabetes.

At the moment I carry 2 glucometers bought from my pocket + reactive strips.And some private consultations in different specialists who have had to pay because in public health you can die waiting for the header to accept that their knowledge does not get so far as a medical one.

This is a lie.At least, in Spanish public health, in any modality, they will not make you pay strips or glucometers.Stop posting shits, fuck.

Forgive, but at least in my community to type 2 (or assumptions type 2, because they have not tested me) they don't give us anything.So yes, the glucometer I have paid for me, I pay them, and I pay the sensors.So no, we don't post shit.And I know of type 1 diabetics that when giving the sensor they stop giving them and they have to pay them.And the sensors are orientative, not infallible, and you need strips.And more if you have to put insulin, as is the case with type 1

Cristóbal Cortés said:

karl85 said:
In the end I have not responded how much my diabetes costs: D The answer is depends on what one wants to impute as expenselinked to diabetes.

At the moment I carry 2 glucometers bought from my pocket + reactive strips.And some private consultations in different specialists who have had to pay because in public health you can die waiting for the header to accept that their knowledge does not get so far as a medical one.

This is a lie.At least, in Spanish public health, in any modality, they will not make you pay strips or glucometers.Stop posting shits, fuck.

I do not see the way of giving your opinion timely.You can speak correctly and without offending, that we are here to help us.
And also of course that type 2 pays strips, or do not give or give so few that it is necessary to buy more.

I have paid sensors 4 years to financing and now payment strips.
Sometimes needles because I don't like the ones they give.
Not everything is free and according to each health center they give you some options or others.
Type 2 give nothing.