Eat fruits in diabetes
07/01/2019 8:56 p.m.
To me the good humor ends when I see someone to say that it is a doctor recommending people who suffer from ketogenic diabetes, I will be weird.
I hope that those who participate in this forum have the common sense of paying attention exclusively to their specialist and questioning everything they read online.For the sake of your liver at least in this case.
Good morning.
03/21/2024 1:40 p.m.
diegoc said:
To me the good humor ends me when I see someone to say that it is a doctor recommending people suffering from diabetes ketogenic diets, I will be weird.I hope that those who participate in this forum have the common sense of paying attention exclusively to their specialist and questioning everything they read online.For the sake of your liver at least in this case.
Good morning.
If I am in this forum, it is because I read varied opinions of people who have problems similar to mine and learn.
To do what my nutritionist recommends me I do not need to be in it or in any forum.
Luck!!!
03/21/2024 2:28 p.m.
Diabetes tipo 2 desde 2014, 850 mg de Metformina al día, neuropatía periférica desde 2020
diegoc said:
To me the good humor ends me when I see someone to say that it is a doctor recommending people suffering from diabetes ketogenic diets, I will be weird.I hope that those who participate in this forum have the common sense of paying attention exclusively to their specialist and questioning everything they read online.For the sake of your liver at least in this case.
Good morning.
I do not recommend ketogenic diets, read well, I have said low food in HC q is not the same, limit them and especially those of high glycemic index.
And I repeat, I work in public health and maintain contact with my work with endocrine public hospitals that endorse what I say, I have no interest in convincing anyone, I have been diabetic and more than 26 working.Q Each one creates what he wants, I carry in this forum almost since it was created.
03/21/2024 4:13 p.m.
Don't you recommend ketone diets?And why then have you literally said "HCs are not fundamental as energy, because they can be obtained from the gloconeogenesis of the liver and from protein"?
Goconeogenesis occurs when the body lacks HC and uses protein burning, and mainly fat, which is the basis of ketone diets, such as the famous "Keto", which produces ketone bodies, which if you really were medical (whichYou are not or I want to think that no) you would know that they are poison for the body and the entrance door to liver diseases.
Anyway, for my part, theme dousy, does not give more of itself.
03/21/2024 5:13 p.m.
My theory and learned by practice is that limiting and selecting hydrates in diabetics is good.Limit, do not exclude.For something we are omnivores.
But then everything is leisure.A child is not the same as someone 50 years old or someone who works sitting as a office worker than someone who works burning with physical work, in a work, etc.
That with the sensors does not have to tell us anyone, everyone sees what is doing well and what they can control and what does not.And the same does not necessarily work at all times of life.
The solution is not always in professionals (doctors and endocrine).There are some very backward that recommend things that with the sensors have seen that they are not going well.Others that help little.@Diegoc I have always told in this forum that all the diabetology education that gave me the endo was to prescribe quickly (the slowI put 2 units.Then I have learned the hydrates count alone, which all are not equal (some lentils are not comparable to a pasta dish), which if left in the fridge and eat the next day they go up less, how glucose lowers with theExercise, how food uploads, when to get the quick and how much according to the time of day, how stress influences, not to believe me for sure the results of the sensor and check with glucometer from time to time ... and a thousand more things forthose that this forum has been fundamental.And thanks to all that I have good control.
And then in the annual review the endo tells me that everything very well (that I think "for your help will not be, of course ...")
Fortunate are those who are attended by people who understand and help really.It is not normal, if not this forum would not have so much activity.
But that in diabetes, in the end the one who knows the most of himself is the patient, never the doctor, because this is a world, not all the same is going well and we have to self -manage our disease.And many times ignoring things that tell us if we check that we are not going well.
Here 2+2 are almost never 4. and most doctors do not understand.
03/21/2024 6:36 p.m.
DM 2 con páncreas agotado desde diciembre 2020. 51 años entonces.
HG diciembre 2020: 15.9. Última HG: julio 2024 5.8
Abasaglar 9 unidades. Metformina, 1000/0/1000. Humalog junior: 2 unid en desayuno y luego en función de lo que coma.
I have been lucky with my diabetological training but where I have learned most it is in this forum.
And of course HCs are essential but in low quantity.
Well -formed endocrine do not recommend high diets in hydrates.Maximum 60g/day.
I met a 6 -year -old girl that her father gave her cakes and sweets to integrate her and all based on a lot of insulin.I met her in the pharmacy because she has diabetic foot.In a few years you will have vision problems and retonopathies.
@Diegoc you follow your specialist and look for another opinion of a well -trained doctor, and then tell us.
03/21/2024 9:48 p.m.
Lada enero 2015.
Uso Toujeo y Novorapid.
Maximum 60 gr of HC a day?Where did you get this?Minimum 80 for a 2 year old girl.Recommended 120.
Of course, we must not consume them in pastries and cakes.Especially you have to ingest them through cereals without additives and fruit.
And thanks for the concern, but we have been very lucky with our endocrine.We carry a newly taken pump in the latest generation market that goes to a thousand wonders thanks to the fact that it is very up to date.
And well, with 120 gr a day on average we have a glycan of 6 and a glycemic variability of 34%, which for a small girl, with all the complications that the management entails, is phenomenal.The analysis is perfect and we hope to continue like this.
Insulina we administer the one that corresponds and needs, no more, or less.That more insulin more resistance and more diabetes is another legend that luckily has denied us our diabetological team since minute one.
PD: His birthday cake, his roscón de reyes, his fritters with chocolate in failures and some ice cream in summer do not miss, and is great.Of course, it does not eat the amount of sweets that other children eat, obviously, and the Bolleria and the Chucheías do not know them, and nor does it miss.But occasionally and in a controlled way?Of course.
03/21/2024 10:10 p.m.
135 grams
The recommended daily amount for adults is 135 grams per day, but each person must have their own goal with respect to carbohydrates.Pregnant women need at least 175 grams of carbohydrates a day.
@Ruthbia from where you take away those data that you give so lightly, and if you do not eat anything less it will rise to you and if you only drink water as long as you do not die, it will not climb you, no well -formed endocrine, and I have enough in my life, youIt will say that you don't eat hydrates and healthy food
03/21/2024 10:16 p.m.
I already spend more, but I think you should not give those advice, you can take many people to deception, without hydrates until your breath smells and you do not realize, to burn just fat
03/21/2024 10:21 p.m.
To more insulin, more resistance when you have been in diabetes for years.
In my first 3 years I was like your daughter, it's more I didn't use quick because I had a 20 -month honeymoon, but not anymore.
The more insulin, the more it is needed for the same hydrates and more fat is retained because it is an anabolic hormone.I have gone to several professionals these years and everyone agrees.
But let's believe what you want after all you are not diabetic and you don't know what it feels like being diabetic, however you are.
120 g of HC my endocrine told me when I debuted, I started paying the sensors and seeing results among several patients have changed the protocols, now we are going to 60. And if you read Dr. Bernstein's book I lower it to 40 almostketogenic.
03/21/2024 10:22 p.m.
Lada enero 2015.
Uso Toujeo y Novorapid.
More insulin, more resistance when you have been in diabetes for years
@Ruthbia sorry, what you say show it, it's a lie
03/21/2024 10:23 p.m.
And if you read Dr. Bernstein's book, it lowers it to 40 almost ketogenic.
I read it, for me it is another sick and obsessed mind with diabetes
03/21/2024 10:25 p.m.
@Andrespmat Well, go to see the Head of Endocrinology of Sanitas and that of the FJD in Madrid.
Said by them in consultation.
And yes, the more insulin use, more lame weight, and the more I need:
With 78kg and 1 ration of Hydrates 6ud of Novorapid at breakfast.Basal 22 UDS.
With 70 kg and 1 ration of hydrates I use 3 UDS of Novorapid at breakfast.Basal 16 UDS.
Conclusions, with low hydrates diet, less insulin is used, weight is lowered and less basal is needed.
Insulin is the fish that bites the tail.
03/21/2024 10:30 p.m.
Lada enero 2015.
Uso Toujeo y Novorapid.
Andrespmat said:
more insulin, more resistance when you have been in diabetes for years@Ruthbia sorry, what you say show it, it's a lie
Obviously it is a lie.And I'm sorry for her and for those who read it and believe it.But I insist: it is highly advisable to pay attention to our endocrine that Gurus and Internet doctors.
03/21/2024 10:32 p.m.
@Ruthbia, if you see it so for you, do it.
And if you try not to eat sure you will upload less, that you want me to tell you !!
I just say that you should avoid certain recommendations
03/21/2024 10:32 p.m.
Andrespmat said:
and step more, but I think you should not give those advice, you can take many people to deception
Exact.
03/21/2024 10:33 p.m.
diegoc said:
Don't you recommend ketone diets?And why then have you literally said "HCs are not fundamental as energy, because they can be obtained from the gloconeogenesis of the liver and from protein"?Goconeogenesis occurs when the body lacks HC and uses protein burning, and mainly fat, which is the basis of ketone diets, such as the famous "Keto", which produces ketone bodies, which if you really were medical (whichYou are not or I want to think that no) you would know that they are poison for the body and the entrance door to liver diseases.
Anyway, for my part, the subject settled, does not give more of itself.
That he has said that they have to obtain themselves from the diet always, it does not mean that you recommend the ketogenic diet, you have said it, when there are not enough are obtained from glycogen degradation so there are always, besides the HC not onlyThey are obtained from fruits or bread, in vegetables there are also HC and proteins are also obtained.It means that you never run out of HC.
I do not follow a ketogenic diet, at all, but it limited the consumption of HC.
And I say that I am a doctor, believe it or not, I am not going to give you my collegiate number, obviously and I will not justify more, there are more and more studies of the benefits of restricting the HC in DB type 1 and 2(except in children, pregnant women and people with eating disorders).
Your son is a child so that no.And think what you want from my profession, I've been in this forum for more than 10 years, maybe 20, I don't know how much it is created, and I always participate and learn from everyone and anyone who knows me about Tpo, knows that this is how.
03/21/2024 11:26 p.m.
diegoc said:
maximum 60 gr of HC per day?Where did you get this?Minimum 80 for a 2 year old girl.Recommended 120.Of course, we must not consume them in pastries and cakes.Especially you have to ingest them through cereals without additives and fruit.
And thanks for the concern, but we have been very lucky with our endocrine.We carry a newly taken pump in the latest generation market that goes to a thousand wonders thanks to the fact that it is very up to date.
And well, with 120 gr a day on average we have a glycan of 6 and a glycemic variability of 34%, which for a small girl, with all the complications that the management entails, is phenomenal.The analysis is perfect and we hope to continue like this.
Insulina we administer the one that corresponds and needs, no more, or less.That more insulin more resistance and more diabetes is another legend that luckily has denied us our diabetological team since minute one.
PD: His birthday cake, his roscón de reyes, his fritters with chocolate in failures and some ice cream in summer do not miss, and is great.Of course, it does not eat the amount of sweets that other children eat, obviously, and the Bolleria and the Chucheías do not know them, and nor does it miss.But occasionally and in a controlled way?Of course.
Wait to get older, you'll see as if there is insulin resistance if high doses are used.
03/21/2024 11:32 p.m.
Andrespmat said:
And if you read Dr. Bernstein's book you lower it to 40 almost ketogenic.I read it, for me it is another sick and obsessed mind with diabetes
Well, that sick mind is almost 90 years old, diabetic since the age of 14 and without associated complications, and remains active.For something it will be.And I do not follow his diet, such as fruit and legumes.
03/21/2024 11:35 p.m.
@Diegoc and @Andrespmat
Nutrition and medicine are not exact sciences, there are multiple lines of research and there is no unique and infallible unique criterion among specialists.
It is a matter that is constantly evolving, trust that until recently, the mantra was the ineffable nutrition pyramid that has been overcome (fortunately) by the slightly more reasonable plate of the dish.
It is clear that you have to trust your endocrine, although, rather for treatment, because of nutrition they are not the most advanced, what they studied in medicine has become very obsolete.
This forum is a place to exchange experiences and opinions, it does not replace the consultation with the specialist.
Providing an opinion does not imply forcing anyone to make a change in their food or their treatment, its usefulness is that it opens new ways of research and learning.
Do not agree with the opinion of another forero is the essence of any debate, it is what a forum keeps alive, but you should refute the opinion without attacking the person who has issued it.It is not very elegant to question the professional condition of a member of the forum, directly accuse of lying, using capital letters in a post, which is the equivalent of shouting in a conversation.
Here we are to accompany us in the management of this disease so complicated, contributing what each one can, always from respecting others, this is not the Congress of Deputies ..
03/21/2024 11:36 p.m.
LADA desde septiembre de 2021
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