Eat fruits in diabetes
07/01/2019 8:56 p.m.
@Diegoc Nobody tells you about Cetogénics diet, if not low hydrates diet, with which control is much easier because you greatly decrease the amount of fast and avoid peaks.In addition, a healthier weight is maintained.
Of course, @meginer is a medical one, and also carries exceptional control of its diabetes.So it's an example for me.
Vegetables and proteins with some milk and fruit, can already complete a diet with all nutrients..
The new slow insulins, such as Toujeo or Tresiba, need to reduce hydrates to avoid maintained high peaks and values.
Of course there will be days when that diet is skipped, but it is the one that helps the most, low in hydrates.
03/22/2024 2:53 a.m.
Hija de 35 años , diabética desde los 5. Glico: normalmente de 6 , pero 6,7 la última ( 6,2 marcaba el Free)
Fiasp: 4- 4- 3 Toujeo: 20
meginer said:
diegoc said:
Don't you recommend ketone diets?And why then have you literally said "HCs are not fundamental as energy, because they can be obtained from the gloconeogenesis of the liver and from protein"?Goconeogenesis occurs when the body lacks HC and uses protein burning, and mainly fat, which is the basis of ketone diets, such as the famous "Keto", which produces ketone bodies, which if you really were medical (whichYou are not or I want to think that no) you would know that they are poison for the body and the entrance door to liver diseases.
Anyway, for my part, the subject settled, does not give more of itself.
That he has said that they have to obtain themselves from the diet always, it does not mean that you recommend the ketogenic diet, you have said it, when there are not enough are obtained from glycogen degradation so there are always, besides the HC not onlyThey are obtained from fruits or bread, in vegetables there are also HC and proteins are also obtained.It means that you never run out of HC.
I do not follow a ketogenic diet, at all, but it limited the consumption of HC.
And I say that I am a doctor, believe it or not, I am not going to give you my collegiate number, obviously and I will not justify more, there are more and more studies of the benefits of restricting the HC in DB type 1 and 2(except in children, pregnant women and people with eating disorders).
Your son is a child so that no.And think what you want from my profession, I've been in this forum for more than 10 years, maybe 20, I don't know how much it is created, and I always participate and learn from everyone and anyone who knows me about Tpo, knows that this is how.
But you talk about restricting, not to reduce, you talk about "there is always HC" from the protein, when that way of obtaining HC is harmful nothing less than for the liver, and also also of fat, which producesketone bodies, which are literally poison for the organism.You have also said that HC are not essential nutrients, and that our muscles and brain can obtain energy from other ways.It is you who has talked about all that, who are true barbarities.That is why you cannot be a doctor or I hope you are not.
Another very different thing is not to swell to hydrates.I do not have diabetes and not as usually pasta, like 60gr of bread a day, a couple of pieces of fruit, milk, and now.Not as pastries, nor pizzas, nor macaroni, nor did it swell to bread.But that is not to restrict hydrates, is to take them with common sense and moderation because adults, in general, with diabetes or not, we do not need as many hydrates as children and adolescents.But that does not mean that they are fundamental for life.
03/22/2024 8:19 a.m.
meginer said:
diegoc said:
maximum 60 gr of HC a day?Where did you get this?Minimum 80 for a 2 year old girl.Recommended 120.Of course, we must not consume them in pastries and cakes.Especially you have to ingest them through cereals without additives and fruit.
And thanks for the concern, but we have been very lucky with our endocrine.We carry a newly taken pump in the latest generation market that goes to a thousand wonders thanks to the fact that it is very up to date.
And well, with 120 gr a day on average we have a glycan of 6 and a glycemic variability of 34%, which for a small girl, with all the complications that the management entails, is phenomenal.The analysis is perfect and we hope to continue like this.
Insulina we administer the one that corresponds and needs, no more, or less.That more insulin more resistance and more diabetes is another legend that luckily has denied us our diabetological team since minute one.
PD: His birthday cake, his roscón de reyes, his fritters with chocolate in failures and some ice cream in summer do not miss, and is great.Of course, it does not eat the amount of sweets that other children eat, obviously, and the Bolleria and the Chucheías do not know them, and nor does it miss.But occasionally and in a controlled way?Of course.
Wait to get older, you'll see as if there is insulin resistance if high doses are used.
Metabolic syndrome is associated with DM2 and has to do with the lifestyle and age, it has nothing to do with the dose of insulin, which is another legend that you come to bring here in a doctor's suit.
Insulin doses have to be those necessary to cover the HC of a balanced diet, no more, or less.
On the other hand I see that you have people who believe that your doctor is outdated and that you can come here to update us with your barbarities.Congratulations, you have a good ability to deceive.The unfortunate thing is that you do it without knowing the risks for those who can follow your advice believing that you are really a doctor.
03/22/2024 8:43 a.m.
salad said:
@diegoc and @andrespmat
Nutrition and medicine are not exact sciences, there are multiple lines of research and there is no unique and infallible unique criterion among specialists.
It is a matter that is constantly evolving, trust that until recently, the mantra was the ineffable nutrition pyramid that has been overcome (fortunately) by the slightly more reasonable plate of the dish.
It is clear that you have to trust your endocrine, although, rather for treatment, because of nutrition they are not the most advanced, what they studied in medicine has become very obsolete.
This forum is a place to exchange experiences and opinions, it does not replace the consultation with the specialist.
Providing an opinion does not imply forcing anyone to make a change in their food or their treatment, its usefulness is that it opens new ways of research and learning.
Do not agree with the opinion of another forero is the essence of any debate, it is what a forum keeps alive, but you should refute the opinion without attacking the person who has issued it.It is not very elegant to question the professional condition of a member of the forum, directly accuse of lying, using capital letters in a post, which is the equivalent of shouting in a conversation.
Here we are to accompany us in the management of this disease so complicated, contributing what each one can, always from respecting others, this is not the Congress of Deputies ..
I agree.Look, I do not think it goes from the 60gr HC/day without being diabetic, and I can tell that I am doing well, and that I have good analytics.Or that such an adhesive is phenomenal for the sensor such, or what to do sports in the morning to me.Me.
What I cannot say in a forum is that a diabetic should not ingest more than 60gr HC per day, because it is an invented fact and that it can be negative for many people no matter how much we can do well.Especially for many people who come here recently diagnosed.
Nor can I come to say that abusing (eye, abusing, as if they were candy) of insulin produces more resistance over the years.The other day a kid who debuted 6 months ago came here, read it, and it seems that he believed it.I hope you put the insulin you need.
Nor can I say, because it is irresponsible and more claiming to be a doctor, that HC are not essential nutrients and that there are other ways to obtain energy, because it is not true.When the body does not have HC due to lack of intake, it generates them burning fat, which is the ketone diet, and the funny thing is that those HC end up in our bloodstream equally and also raise blood glucose, but unexpectedly.
Obviously we are not robots and we can doubt."Hey, the 60gr are going well, the next visit to the endo I ask him if it is an adequate amount for my weight and constitution."Of course.But as you say, always under medical supervision.But consultation doctor, not people who claim to be doctors in Internet forums.
All the best.
03/22/2024 9:07 a.m.
@Diegoc
Well, there has been a misunderstanding linguistic.If you are looking for "restricting" SAR, you will see what is to reduce to lower limits, that is, it is synonymous.
As they tell each person, one thing is doing well and almost all have proven that with less easily easier it is to control, which does not mean eliminating them from the diet, much less.In the end it is about controlling and if your daughter is controlled well done.
And as salad you cannot disqualify a person who is a doctor and diabetic, because he knows what he is talking about.Do you not agree?Ok, but don't get angry.And yes, there are many doctors today who go in line with what she says, we can agree or not, but they are trends.Diabetes treatment constantly evolves and action lines change.
Obviously for me a child will never be the same as an adult, or even an adult with a lot of physical activity than a sedentary.
Professional athletes swell to hydrates because they burn them.You eat few hydrates because you know what is doing well to your life.Everything is valid while the result is good.
And the best thing about the forum is precisely to have different points of view and so, if you ever work for always, to try other things.It serves me a lot, really.
03/22/2024 9:50 a.m.
DM 2 con páncreas agotado desde diciembre 2020. 51 años entonces.
HG diciembre 2020: 15.9. Última HG: julio 2024 5.8
Abasaglar 9 unidades. Metformina, 1000/0/1000. Humalog junior: 2 unid en desayuno y luego en función de lo que coma.
What many doctors are in the line of saying that it is good that the organism obtains energy from other nutrients that are not HC and say that HC are not essential nutrients, which is what the lady says that she claims to be a doctor?
03/22/2024 12:46 p.m.
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diegoc said:
Andrespmat said:
more insulin, more resistance when you have been diabetes for years@Ruthbia sorry, what you say show it, it's a lie
Obviously it is a lie.And I'm sorry for her and for those who read it and believe it.But I insist: it is highly advisable to pay attention to our endocrine that gurus and internet doctors.
@Diegoc here the only one who does not accept how diabetes works are you.Stop calling others liars
Especially since you are not diabetic and you do not know how insulin behavior in each body is altered.The new treatments for DT1 incorporate metformin for resistance, depending on what cases, in addition to rigor insulins ... but it will also be a lie
My endocrine prescribes me low diet in hydrates, and the diabetological nurse too, it is very important to be in Normapeso.If your doctor is outdated ... there you.
@Andrespmat I have tried not to have breakfast and my glucose rises a lot.By the mornings the resistance increases greatly, moreover, you have to wait for much more to make insulin effect, while in meals and dinner.Wait, that for non -diabetic it will also be a lie ...
03/22/2024 1:03 p.m.
Lada enero 2015.
Uso Toujeo y Novorapid.
No, I don't have diabetes, but I manage it the same time as you, 24/7.
On the other hand I do not see anything weird or seem lie in your comments.It is reasonable to limit hydrates if there is overweight, or to prevent it.You comment that it is to stay in Normapeso, not to avoid insulin resistance.
And that I know the only thing I have denounced are the lies and barbarities that a participant has said that claims to be a doctor, because their messages seem dangerous to people with diabetes, especially those who arrive here recently diagnosed.
All the best.
03/22/2024 1:17 p.m.
diegoc said:
no, I don't have diabetes, but I manage it the same time as you, 24/7.On the other hand I do not see anything weird or seem lie in your comments.It is reasonable to limit hydrates if there is overweight, or to prevent it.You comment that it is to stay in Normapeso, not to avoid insulin resistance.
And that I know the only thing I have denounced are the lies and barbarities that a participant has said that claims to be a doctor, because their messages seem dangerous to people with diabetes, especially those who arrive here recently diagnosed.
Greetings.
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03/22/2024 1:48 p.m.
@Ruthbia, if I also have more insulin resistance in the morning, 🤗🤗
03/22/2024 1:49 p.m.
Putting a compress to your daughter is not the same as having the rule.With diabetes the same happens.
And yes, you have called me a liar several times, and another very qualified person of this forum that is a doctor, who attends DM2 among other ailments and is DM1 diabetic for 40 years in continuous training.No barbarity or lies.He has told you what the endocrine updated to all recommend us: low hydrates diet, exercise, and care with insulin resistance.
The sensors began to finance them in 2019, many here we paid them since it left.Since 2020 they have begun to change the recommendations based on what the sensors register.
In my case much earlier because I use a sensor since 2016, which was recommended by the Toledo Hospital where the head of Endocrinology was DT1 and has a different protocol than in other Gracia hospitals that he is diabetic.
Here we comment experiences, we do not force or force in any way to be carried out, that is the individual of the person.Each is responsible for their management and body.The one who Lee will do what he wants, is not fooled or we are responsible for what anyone who reads us does.
03/22/2024 2:01 p.m.
Lada enero 2015.
Uso Toujeo y Novorapid.
Indeed, it is not the same.
You can control and decide how much you eat, what exercise you do, etc.
With a two -year -old girl, you don't know how much food you feel like it, or how much you are going to run in school, or in the park every day.
Nor does he understand that he has to eat the 100gr of potatoes that you have prepared because you have injected arrangement to that amount, and you have to stuff it so that it does not go to hiccups or you cannot give it more if you want to repeat.We have to, his mother and I, to guess the hunger he has in each meal.
And if you have an obstruction in the pump and it is km away, in the school, or with its grandparents, I do not have it, it has it, and you have to go fix the matter I caught you where you catch you.
And if you refuse to take a glucose pill with a 50 -year -old hypo, because you have no knowledge with your two years, I will call you that you are very experienced to illuminate us with your wisdom.
Just tell you that I and her mother with your eyes closed would change for her.Not only for all this that I comment, but also because a father or mother will always welcome fate worse if it is accompanied by the disease of a child who of one's own disease.
We are not going to compete, but minimizing or despising the problems of others is quite daring and unpresentable, and I have not done it or do it.
Greetings and that goes well.
03/22/2024 3:25 p.m.
diegoc said:
meginer said:
diegoc said:
diegoc said:
Don't you recommend ketone diets?And why then have you literally said "HCs are not fundamental as energy, because they can be obtained from the gloconeogenesis of the liver and from protein"?Goconeogenesis occurs when the body lacks HC and uses protein burning, and mainly fat, which is the basis of ketone diets, such as the famous "Keto", which produces ketone bodies, which if you really were medical (whichYou are not or I want to think that no) you would know that they are poison for the body and the entrance door to liver diseases.
Anyway, for my part, the subject settled, does not give more of itself.
That he has said that they have to obtain themselves from the diet always, it does not mean that you recommend the ketogenic diet, you have said it, when there are not enough are obtained from glycogen degradation so there are always, besides the HC not onlyThey are obtained from fruits or bread, in vegetables there are also HC and proteins are also obtained.It means that you never run out of HC.
I do not follow a ketogenic diet, at all, but it limited the consumption of HC.
And I say that I am a doctor, believe it or not, I am not going to give you my collegiate number, obviously and I will not justify more, there are more and more studies of the benefits of restricting the HC in DB type 1 and 2(except in children, pregnant women and people with eating disorders).
Your son is a child so that no.And think what you want from my profession, I've been in this forum for more than 10 years, maybe 20, I don't know how much it is created, and I always participate and learn from everyone and anyone who knows me about Tpo, knows that this is how.But you talk about restricting, not to reduce, you talk about "there is always HC" from the protein, when that way of obtaining HC is harmful nothing less than for the liver, and also also of fat, which producesketone bodies, which are literally poison for the organism.You have also said that HC are not essential nutrients, and that our muscles and brain can obtain energy from other ways.It is you who has talked about all that, who are true barbarities.That is why you cannot be a doctor or I hope you are not.
Another very different thing is not to swell to hydrates.I do not have diabetes and not as usually pasta, like 60gr of bread a day, a couple of pieces of fruit, milk, and now.Not as pastries, nor pizzas, nor macaroni, nor did it swell to bread.But that is not to restrict hydrates, is to take them with common sense and moderation because adults, in general, with diabetes or not, we do not need as many hydrates as children and adolescents.But that does not mean that they are fundamental for life.
I am not going to answer you anymore, I think it has been clear enough and it has told you more than one, restrict, reduce, call it as you want, not to suppress, that it is impossible to suppress PQ to a lettuce or a calahacin carry HC so alwaysYou will have them, and ultimately, they can also be obtained from healthy proteins and fatThey follow and do very well, their lipid, liver, renal etc. are excellent but I do not follow it).
I repeat again because I have already told you and it does not seem to read it, LOA HC are not essential nutrients understanding that they are not only obtained from the diet, however the amino acids are because they cannot be obtained otherwise,It does not mean that they are not normally obtainedof the diet.
But the post is about the fruits and I tell you that according to what fruits and the quantity, they climb a lot and great if your child takes a lot and does not rise and take enough HC and you can cover it with insulin, great but I tell you that with the stepof the years that is not usual .. the low food in HC has the advantage of reducing peaks and that having to administer less insulin, you are wrong less decreasing hypos and hyper.
And as you are committed to that I am not a doctor because nothing, I am not, whatever you say.
Ah, and I have a gyzed of 5.6-5.7 for several years, normal renal and lipid hepatic oerphil.I think we all learn from everyone and accuse of lying is quite disrespectful.
03/22/2024 7:30 p.m.
diegoc said:
indeed, it is not the same.You can control and decide how much you eat, what exercise you do, etc.
With a two -year -old girl, you don't know how much food you feel like it, or how much you are going to run in school, or in the park every day.
Nor does he understand that he has to eat the 100gr of potatoes that you have prepared because you have injected arrangement to that amount, and you have to stuff it so that it does not go to hiccups or you cannot give it more if you want to repeat.We have to, his mother and I, to guess the hunger he has in each meal.
And if you have an obstruction in the pump and it is km away, in the school, or with its grandparents, I do not have it, it has it, and you have to go fix the matter I caught you where you catch you.
And if you refuse to take a glucose pill with a 50 -year -old hypo, because you have no knowledge with your two years, I will call you that you are very experienced to illuminate us with your wisdom.
Just tell you that I and her mother with your eyes closed would change for her.Not only for all this that I comment, but also because a father or mother will always welcome fate worse if it is accompanied by the disease of a child who of one's own disease.
We are not going to compete, but minimizing or despising the problems of others is quite daring and unpresentable, and I have not done it or do it.
Greetings and that goes well.
@Diegoc: Participating in this forum has helped me a lot, although I do not always share all the opinions that are published.I read them and if I do not like I do not pay attention.What I don't think is useful is to attack and disqualify a person for expressing an opinion that differs from what one thinks.
I think this forum is not the most appropriate place to try to manage the concern and stress that your daughter diabetes supposes you.I think that going to an association of diabetics to be able to speak face to face with other parents who are in a similar situation that would be helpful
03/22/2024 10:26 p.m.
DM1 desde 1982: Toujeo+Novorapid
Yes, the truth is that going to an association should be part of the medical prescription for those who are diagnosed and for caregivers.It helps a lot.
In this forum, which I have been reading for some time, I have found valuable ideas and information.
I also believe that I have not attacked or disqualified anyone.
I don't agree with everything that is said here, it was only missing.And nothing happens.But if I read someone who claims to be a doctor (and Remarco, who claims to be a doctor) and intervenes, no longer with opinions with which I do not agree, but directly with statements that are not true and who can harm other people, meI see in the moral obligation to point it out.And questioning that someone is a doctor is not an attack or a disqualification, or of course I intend to be.
Nor do I intend to manage stress in a forum, but he understands that it is very legitimate to defend the caregiver's position when it is minimized for not suffering the disease in the first person.I have not answered either for me, but by other caregivers who can be walking through this forum.
All the best.
03/22/2024 11:31 p.m.
diegoc said:
yes, the truth is that going to an association should be part of the medical prescription for those who are diagnosed and for caregivers.It helps a lot.In this forum, which I have been reading for some time, I have found valuable ideas and information.
I also believe that I have not attacked or disqualified anyone.
I don't agree with everything that is said here, it was only missing.And nothing happens.But if I read someone who claims to be a doctor (and Remarco, who claims to be a doctor) and intervenes, no longer with opinions with which I do not agree, but directly with statements that are not true and who can harm other people, meI see in the moral obligation to point it out.And questioning that someone is a doctor is not an attack or a disqualification, or of course I intend to be.
Nor do I intend to manage stress in a forum, but he understands that it is very legitimate to defend the caregiver's position when it is minimized for not suffering the disease in the first person.I have not answered either for me, but by other caregivers who can be walking through this forum.
Greetings.
You are a bit nightmare with the subject and also little respectful with me how many people know me, for more data, my ancient ophthalmologist who has already retired, writes here and advises people who ask for ophthalmological issues and knows me.But come on, because I don't have to give more explanations, create what you want, and read articles on low food for adults, I repeat, for adults, not for children.
03/23/2024 12:45 a.m.
@Diegoc, Meginer is a medical one.
Children may have different needs from adults.My daughter began to be diabetic at age 5, with slow insulins who asked for high food in hydrates and ate everything.
Now he has 35, without any complication, and one or two years ago he changed the slow to Toujeo and realized that with less hydrates he controlled him better.
The issue is that it can be controlled more or less, in young children you have to balance and give them what they can eat and you want.The control is not easy, or tend to hypos or hyper.With two years it must be crazy, but it becomes easier as they grow and have the advantage that their treatment will see their treatment very normal and they will know each other very well.
Every time it will be easier, better treatments and more peace of mind.
So calm down, little by little and a lot of encouragement.
03/23/2024 6:30 p.m.
Hija de 35 años , diabética desde los 5. Glico: normalmente de 6 , pero 6,7 la última ( 6,2 marcaba el Free)
Fiasp: 4- 4- 3 Toujeo: 20
Thank you very much for your words @regina: Smile:
03/23/2024 7:24 p.m.