The Moreno Bonilla government authorizes 89 million for private health

Andrespmat said:
Well even today there are many people charging at € 12 an hour, that is the bad thing that the one who has a career has, it is believed that that is why he has to win more than others,The toilets care about m… .. The sick, the strikes that only do them exclusively for money and there are many people doing 10 hours per thousand euros and that of the base salary of € 1120 is like that of politicians is also 1800U 2000 but then the accessories rises to 6000, I do not know any doctor who wins € 1120 unless it is in practices like every neighbor's son when he is being formed, I am also a supporter of public health but that someone controls the staffBe a doctor, nurse or whatever, while being paid with money from the administration, when you do a strike you incite people who are for the good of the sick and the majority as they do what the neighbor sees, after it has to support you,You only do it for you and San money only and exclusively !!You talk about abuse, you don't know what abuse at work is, you have no idea what abuse is

I tell you that the salary must be consistent with the training and responsibility of each job and so it must be.I don't care that there are people charging 1120 per month, we will have to see what training and what they have invested in it, each one will have to fight for their interests and their dignity, I in order to get my studies, my family is not rich andI had to work at the same time, and when I went to specialize I had to go outside my city, rent a floor of students like everyone else and I could buy a car to be able to move, then I was around 10 years around all theTowns of Western Andalusia with shit contracts, which cost you more the displacement than what you were going to win for the days that gave you work without vacations to be able to have points paa longer contracts, then I approved the oppositions and took a place to a place to90 km from my house going and coming daily for 15 years until I could come to the capital.It is a lot of effort, work and money invested, and a lot of responsibility and that you want me to tell you, that must be paid, or it is better to pay several million euros to soccer players or other people,?Education and Health the most discredited.Go to other European countries and is the most careful.
Do not generalize please, you would be surprised at what I charge, it is not excessive at all, rather it is a low salary.And I also do not make guards because I prefer to have more time to take care of myself and not have constant hypos.
And as for strike, I think I have never done it, among other things because they put minimal services of 90 p hundred so that it is useless.
I talk about primary care.
And the worst is to generalize, there will be everything as in all professions, and I assure you that public health works half that for professionals take care of us rather little.I could be telling you things hours.
Already with this for my part, the theme because I think it is not a matter of politicizing or justifying my work.

I will only answer you to one thing and because you said that I generalize.Since what you earn, he says he deserves it and I think so, he deserved more, I don't know.
But since he put football, I will tell him that football is a company and the footballer charges because he also generates it .. and that does not justify his salary and that maybe his formation justifies his salary, I only say so not toLet's criticize others.A footballer no, you yes.

Good morning, and without offending, I only think they are different opinions.
Sorry if the offended one if it has been, I apologize

Andrespmat said:
I will only answer you to one thing and because you said that I generalize.Since what you earn, he says he deserves it and I think so, he deserved more, I don't know.
But since he put football, I will tell him that football is a company and the footballer charges because he also generates it .. and that does not justify his salary and that maybe his formation justifies his salary, I only say so not toLet's criticize others.A footballer no, you yes.

The salary is justified by the type of work, pain and risk that has work and responsibility, and obviously the company decides how much it wants to pay the worker, that is already each company, in the case of Andalusian public health it is the SAS.
The training is necessary to reach a certain job, and the salary must be according to the type of work done, although it is not in many cases of course.

That chronic patients like we are defending private health over public health has me freaking me.
What Coj *** are you thinking?

You are like dinosaurs that support the meteorite.

I live in Andalusia and it is a p ** to shame how health is.It is literally impossible to take an appointment with your doctor.

I live in a town of about 40000 inhabitants with two outpatients and two doctors on guard for the entire town.

This is insufferable and you supporting those who want to take away the best we have.

You say the private one is to decongest the waiting lists.I tell you that they don't make you quit from one day to another in your doctor, and less than a month for specialist.

His intention is to destroy the public so that we all get private safe.To chronic patients, how much would it cost us insurance?Would they do it to us?For them everything is a business.

I sent you a couple of years to the US, you will see how well you have a paid $ 100 for a paracetamol or $ 30000 for an appendicitis operation.

By the way, for me, a doctor deserves to charge more than any other professional.They save lives.The others cannot compare ourselves or far away.

@Sandman
I do not believe that anyone defends private health (except for a paste lined in which case you can do the insurance you want).
I agree with you that a good doctor should charge more than other professionals with less responsibility, but eye, a good doctor.That there is each one ... and our lives are in their hands.
There should be greater control, that I recently had one who had refused to get into the diabetes protocol, which by the way I do not understand what is allowed.You should have seen the interpretation of the analytics, nor did it look at the glycosilada, it recommended to take a lot of orange juice (because I had anemia) and my retinography reached results per year!(Everything was ok, yes).
The thing is that good and bad professionals are in all sectors, but just as those who heal, we would have to "punish" those who go from everything and work badly, that there are them and the issue they have inHis hands is of vital importance.
In a private company if you don't work well they throw you to the street.That does not happen in Social Security.(And eye, there are very good professionals, but also bad).

Isabelbota said:
@sandman
I do not believe that anyone defends private health (except for a paste lined in which case you can do the insurance you want).
I agree with you that a good doctor should charge more than other professionals with less responsibility, but eye, a good doctor.That there is each one ... and our lives are in their hands.
There should be greater control, that I recently had one who had refused to get into the diabetes protocol, which by the way I do not understand what is allowed.You should have seen the interpretation of the analytics, nor did it look at the glycosilada, it recommended to take a lot of orange juice (because I had anemia) and my retinography reached results per year!(Everything was ok, yes).
The thing is that good and bad professionals are in all sectors, but just as those who heal, we would have to "punish" those who go from everything and work badly, that there are them and the issue they have inHis hands is of vital importance.
In a private company if you don't work well they throw you to the street.That does not happen in Social Security.(And be careful, there are very good professionals, but also bad).

Well, as things do not change much, in primary care, that is what touches me and I have closer, those doctors of those who speak, getting more and more.Family doctors with their MIR and their specialty made 4 years), their training and their recycling, are less and less.Why?, Because retirements are greater than the replacement of those who come out, but that was known more than 10 years ago and nothing has been done, I do not know has made any forecast, the bad conditions of primary care, bad contracts,saturation, from the hospital they send everything to us, it seems that that control by your head doctor have learned it very well, it seems that we have all the time in the world and they do not .... All that does that theSpecialty is unattractive for doctors who do the MIR and there are plenty of squares or go to other countries or private.From here to 5 years there will be neither family doctors nor pediatricians from health C, what is being done is to hire newly graduates who have not seen a PTE in their life or foreign doctors (especially Latin Americans) who do not havenor the homologation and give them the approval and flatter, to pass consultation.Obviously there are also elderly or not so old who have accommodated and not recycled and are in the time of Matusalen.
And in the private one is where there are more doctors of these eh?, Which I have found each one ...
My parents have Asisa because they were teachers and they have never wanted to change the SS PQ have not gone wrong.In El.
But another who has no idea, believes everything that that individual says.
That is why I say that we have to bet on public healeffort and money to let them go to other countries or private.Better contract conditions, many would return from those who have left.
But as you do not learn, everything is still the same and to see how the problem is already in front.

ruthbia said:
Health is public in Madrid, nobody pays even if they serve you privately.
They misrepresent politicians and unions.

But there are many officials who do not want to work and only live from extra "services".
Now they consider eliminating the emergency guards, because doctors have already complained to stop receiving 1000eur/ month.
Work in the afternoon, no, only if you consider extra service and pay twice.

Well, I work by the game and I do not pay extra the afternoon.

The strike in Madrid is over as soon as they were paid what they wanted, all for the pasta, that is medicine in Spain.

A thousand times I prefer the German or French model before, to the Swiss that is 100%private.

Be careful what you ask, because you get the same.

In Andalusia an appointment with the neurologist is 14 months and I show it with papers.
The only way to sell private insurance is to charge the public.
That it is clear that with € 50 a month they do nothing in the private.
And another thing, careful with diagnoses in private ... that too many appendices are being operated ...

juansolo said:
In Andalucia an appointment with the neurologist is 14 months and demonstrated it with papers.
The only way to sell private insurance is to charge the public.
That it is clear that with € 50 a month they do nothing in the private.
And another thing, careful with diagnoses in private ... that too many appendices are being operated ...

Well, in my case neurology does not take long, we have direct contact with neurologists and see patients almost on the march, it will depend on the province of Andalusia, Traumatology and digestive take the palm.
And I corroborate the private ones, not all of them?Innocuous, I also have experience with that.

I only think that, if a kidney transplant or cancer pointer is needed and there is no public health that supports it, we will have a bad time.

meginer said:

juasolo said:
in Andalusia an appointment with the neurologist is 14 months and demonstrated it with papers.
The only way to sell private insurance is to charge the public.
That it is clear that with € 50 a month they do nothing in the private.
And another thing, careful with diagnoses in private ... that too many appendices are being operated ...

Well, in my case neurology does not take long, we have direct contact with neurologists and see patients almost on the march, it will depend on the province of Andalusia, Traumatology and digestive take the palm.
And I corroborate the private ones, not all of them?Innocuous, I also have experience with that.

I tell you about Malaga, depending on the clinical H..
But the regional, former Carlos Haya is the same or worse.
In Andalucia there is a decree of guarantees with the maximum assistance times ... they pass it through the lining.
There is a waiting list to enter the waiting list.
They do not give you appointments alleging that the agendas are closed.
The appointments with the family doctor take weeks to give them, that is not closed the agenda because it is full.Alternative, come at 8 and take the 10 numbers for emergency.
Malaga is province of Spain with fewer hospital beds per inhabitant.If you come on vacation, try not to happen to you ...

@Juansolo I have been doing for years that universal health is a myth.
I like the German or French model where it is not universal and each one pays insurance to have 100% coverage.And you can operate in the city and doctor you want.
The percentage changes according to El País.
They are rapid in lists of all kinds and the management of the state part is private.

Because what we call the privatization of health are not toilets, we want to privatize management.

If there are complaints that they do not approve operations or evidence because they are expensive, but that is more due to the person who attends to the company that manages because I have heard blessings and complaints.
I cannot complain, in a month they did all kinds of tests, up to night, and they operated on a summer cancer.

In Castilla La Mancha it is a disaster, my parents 1 year for cardialogue, this January.I went for Sanitas, 3 days and ready.And in the private chirón he told me to give them another 12 months, to bring them to Madrid.

ruthbia said:
@juanolo I have been doing for years that universal health is a myth.
I like the German or French model where it is not universal and each one pays insurance to have 100% coverage.And you can operate in the city and doctor you want.
The percentage changes according to El País.
They are rapid in lists of all kinds and the management of the state part is private.

Because what we call the privatization of health are not toilets, we want to privatize management.

If there are complaints that they do not approve operations or evidence because they are expensive, but that is more due to the person who attends to the company that manages because I have heard blessings and complaints.
I cannot complain, in a month they did all kinds of tests, up to night, and they operated on a summer cancer.

In Castilla La Mancha it is a disaster, my parents 1 year for cardialogue, this January.I went for Sanitas, 3 days and ready.And in the private chirón he told me to give them another 12 months, to bring them to Madrid.

Well, it seems to me that a person's health cannot depend on their economic means.It is horrible to see how people die in the United States for not being able to pay a treatment or insurance, or because its insurance does not cover it.I see a lack of solidarity and empathy to support a system that does not protect the disadvantaged.

We are turning a right that was cheap and worked well into a luxury that we will not be able to pay.
They are the businessmen of the real estate bubble, they went to the private health business.
The day will come when you have to ask for a loan to pay you a medical treatment.
The majority of people who live in the street in the United States are for having lost their homes to not be able to pay health costs.They are not drug addicts, not criminals.
Please inform you of what is happening in other countries.Because it's what awaits us.And chronic patients will be the first to suffer it.

Health is an equal right that education, and should not depend on your economic means, perhaps in Spain we become some things and a plus could be given according to what things, but in general, it should not depend on the money you have.In addition chronic sick like us, they would not take us.They would not take me with a DB of more than 40 years or I would have to pay a pasture.No, that that is not the solution.

But it also does not cover the expensive treatments, unless you pay an insurance barbarity.
I have a friend with kidney problems and calculations, who referred it to the public, with many better means.
For serum pr elblemas and complicated operations and treatments, including transplants, the public is the treasure we have.That people become private saguros and decongest the public, it seems very good to me, but never decrease public money for health or we will pay it expensive.

Public Health vs. Private Health ... I speak from my experience and lived abroad as an immigrant working in countries where there is no public health system as here, even with all defects and lacks of our health system in my humble opinion we should take care ofI be proud of what we have the truth,, the alternative is wild and discouraging when you only have access to it according to your purchasing power.
I have seen working people to have to decide on treatments of their illness according to their income not depending on what is better for their health, people who heals open wounds at home for not being able to pay cures in the hospital, medical invoices for a fractureOf bones that give you chills, and that everyone can pay private insurance is a fallacy, insurers that are a monopoly with an infinite power are not true if you have any previous, chronic and severe pathology, make you payWhat is not written or if it does not cover your needs of that chronic disease and its possible complications cure in health, it was apart from the pharmaceutical costs that you will pay them entirely, so said that I finalize, it is fine whowant and may go privately. My applause and a healthy envy pel

The alternative is not very encouraging.

By the way in the USA a boli (if one) of Toujeo costs about 104 dollars and nobody pays your recipes more than you .......