Reactive strips, shopping central and latent problem.
12/30/2012 11:28 a.m.
I didn't know very well where to put this topic and in the end I have left it here.
Right now there is a latent problem with the theme of reactive strips.
In case we did not have enough with the absurd recommendations of thirst about the number of daily glycemia, now some regional governments have realized that if they join they can buy cheaper.
Nosecantos and a few useless have been enough to realize such an idiocy.
The issue is that Aragon, Asturias, Castilla La Mancha, Ceuta, Extremadura, Murcia, La Rioja and the Valencian Community have joined to buy the strips together.
So far everything apparently correct: cheaper strips (over 30% cheaper) and is supposed to be the same quality.
But not everything was going to be a rosita color in the country of wonders and molten chocolate sweets on rebel straws: D
There are problems.
The first the number of strips they intend to buy.
156 million for an approximate number (my calculation) of 170 thousand patients, it leaves 2 and a half strips a day per patient ... in a year.
That counting only type 1 plus a small percentage of type 2:-/
The second of the problems is the award, where the only criterion is the price.
2 things can happen: to select 1 or 2 brands of the usual + other Korean/China/Asian or select the same brands as until now.
In the first case, all those who used other brands would have to change and go to a kind of monopoly, where the selected brands would not have to work their market.
In the second case, the profit margin for companies would be so small that they would barely invest in a commercial network and much less in promotion or in support of education materials, training of professionals, contribution to associations of patients, congresses, days ...
I explain it a little more on my website:
The third of the problems is in which Fede, our representative on this subject.
At the end of January 2013, a meeting with the ministry, thirst and Fede itself is scheduled.
As a pressure measure, Fede has launched this campaign: Link ... idport = 1 <!A petition on the change.org portal
The intention is that in the contest all trade brands come out, for the benefit of all patients (see problem 2)
I understand that in the price, Fede does not enter ... at least it shouldn't.
And it is a problem because Fede has no political or media weight or pressure capacity, he has never had it.
Our group is not characterized by its support for the cause, precisely ... and that we have been paying for many years.
So Fede's risky campaign and its foreseeable failure will result in that they still have a lower weight in the final decision on this matter.
So once you are informed of everything, I would suggest that you support Fede's campaign.
Right now is what is needed.
I do not like the campaign, it is a strategic error without any way out and without great final benefit, but there is no turning back.
We play too much ... at least they go to a meeting with an important virtual support.
12/30/2012 11:28 a.m.
Owash, let's see, I only have the day I don't see it, when we use them?Before breakfast and before dinner?: Twisted:
I am with glucose levels that I only miss that, I am in 29 that in 300, that clear and it is not because of food, but of stress.Right now with a thirst that I did not remember from my debut and I had 50 ....... I already shouted without voice and cry without tears, but it is costing me a lot, with the advantage that I can stop the pump with the hiccup and a downwardeasier and correct in broad daylight and without "cumbersome" in case of hyperglycemia.
I no longer know if it is normal that I am using the same amount of insulin that I used with the feathers, when it is normal to need more than 20% less, it seems to me that my body, for the reasons that are veryI reluctant to the change of insulins, since before I used the novo-rapid and now the Humalog ... and I do not understand that only 2 enzymes are differentiated.It will always "blame" insulins .....
I do not know if I will be a "weirdo" or that I want absolute perfection and does not exist, not even relative.Can anyone shed light in the matter?: (((
Thank you so much.
01/06/2013 6:06 p.m.
Bomba Accu Check Insight de Roche con Novorapid.
Usuaria de bomba desde 2011 ( lleve la Combo hasta el año pasado).
(I'm Roa, I had to create another account because the previous one gave me problems).
Thanks for the information, Owash.You say that "our group is not characterized by its support for the cause, precisely ... and that we have been paying for many years."I have never understood that you have to accept diabetes ... In the end our dreams are small: have strips to measure us.And we are not going to have that.Can you imagine a world without the count of rations, without punctures, without visits to the endo? ... we should fight for that, for utopian that seems.And, in between, support the cause that Owash cites, because if not bad future awaits us all.
01/06/2013 6:44 p.m.
I agree with Roar, we should fight for our rights.The wave of fief-liberalism that plagues us, aims to completeThe predators (banking, multinationals ...) instrumentalize a political class that campaigns with absolute immunity and impunity.
In this forum we talk about diabetes, but there are many more sick, I put for example the case of HIV patients without sanitary coverage, who are being removed by medication, and so many groups, here there are for everyone.
We go on the same path, now they start with the strips, and tomorrow what will it be?I do not like to start the year with such a hard exhibition, but it is reality, it is useless to hide our heads under the wing and wait better, they won't come if we don't fight for them.….
We have a long and hard path to be able to maintain how little they are leaving us, increasingly weakened and without strength to protest.
Health and prosperity for all in 2013!;)
01/07/2013 8:20 a.m.
Well, some novelty there is already.
half of glucometers brands will cease to be available for patients.
A link: Link ... 093 & amp; type = 2 </a
In addition, the marked price reduces more than 75% the profit margin of companies.
It is even more than possible for companies to pass the cut and leave selected at the end renounce because they do not compensate them.
And this, even if someone is happy for ignorance and naivety, affects us fully.
1.- In a short time the glukometers gratuitous will go to a better life.
2.- Pharmaceutical companies will not invest a euro in training materials (currently 100% of the materials are paid by them).
3.- Nor will it be invested in the formation of new endocrine, new pediatricians or new educators ... the conferences, autonomic congresses, specialized courses etc. will end
4.- Forget investments in tip technology ... The new glucometers will see them online but we will not taste them.It will not be profitable to have them in Spain.
5.- Customer service will get worse and it is doubtful that they are maintained.The competition decreases and therefore it will not be a priority to keep customers (which you have already insured by contract).
A nonsense
A madness and a tragedy that nobody is talking about.
Then we will cry.
And I am trying to be as optimistic as possible.
01/18/2013 12:39 p.m.
Well, because some novelty already.half of glucometers brands will cease to be available for patients.
A link: Link ... 093 & amp; type = 2 </a
In addition, the marked price reduces more than 75% the profit margin of companies.
It is even more than possible for companies to pass the cut and leave selected at the end renounce because they do not compensate them.And this, even if someone is happy for ignorance and naivety, affects us fully.
1.- In a short time the glukometers gratuitous will go to a better life.
2.- Pharmaceutical companies will not invest a euro in training materials (currently 100% of the materials are paid by them).
3.- Nor will it be invested in the formation of new endocrine, new pediatricians or new educators ... the conferences, autonomic congresses, specialized courses etc. will end
4.- Forget investments in tip technology ... The new glucometers will see them online but we will not taste them.It will not be profitable to have them in Spain.
5.- Customer service will get worse and it is doubtful that they are maintained.The competition decreases and therefore it will not be a priority to keep customers (which you have already insured by contract).A nonsense
A madness and a tragedy that nobody is talking about.
Then we will cry.And I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible.
It is a very likely scenario, unfortunately.Another disaster in this country that seems to go straight to chaos.If we were not currently so civilized, here there would be a revolution ...
01/18/2013 7:39 p.m.
ISCI / debut: 1986 / HbA1c: 5,5%
Unfortunately, that's :?A parliamentary system converted into a corruption ciénaga ...
01/18/2013 7:42 p.m.
and I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible.If you become pessimistic what do you say?That Spain will break, there will be no insulin in the country and we will all die.: Mrgreen:
I will also be "optimistic" ... if Spain became a third world country like many agoreros predict ... what would happen to us?Would we be as the diabetic crew of the series "El Barco" who only has a few vials left, has the days counted and then knows that he will die without remedy?
The type 1 diabetics that do in the Third World?Would it be possible for a country like this to set up its own insulin factory in a short time?And reactive strips?Is that seeing the news one imagines the worst ...
01/19/2013 6:45 a.m.
En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?
My pessimistic part.
To a man from Wisconsin, Franckfurt or New Yok, in January 2014, reviewing the results of his company (Ponamos Roche, for example) in Spain throughout 2013, the accounts are, after taxes, which barely wins a few thousands ofeuros.And that this situation is signed for several more years ... What will you do?Taking into account that it is not an NGO, but has profit (and in some cases quite).
Well, logical ... leaving the country and not selling its reactive strips in a place where it does not generate benefits, it sells almost at cost of production, they pay it late and in installments.
And that is something that some leaders tell you as a possible scenario ... In fact, in some autonomy it has already been about to pass with another product.
Insulin is different ... Novonordisk made an exit threat from Greece and that could cost him very expensive.
Little insulin arrives in the third world and without insulin you know what there is ...
This is what happens in the third world with drugs: Link ... Ra-medicam
01/19/2013 12:15 p.m.
My pessimistic part.
To a man from Wisconsin, Franckfurt or New Yok, in January 2014, reviewing the results of his company (Ponamos Roche, for example) in Spain throughout 2013, the accounts are, after taxes, which barely wins a few thousands ofeuros.And that this situation is signed for several more years ... What will you do?Taking into account that it is not an NGO, but has profit (and in some cases quite).
Well, logical ... leaving the country and not selling its reactive strips in a place where it does not generate benefits, it sells almost at cost of production, they pay it late and in installments.Paying late and installments that it is bad but you are sure that companies do not cost 5 euros to make a box of strips.20 years ago there was a company that sold them even cheaper, of course they threw it from the market.
If Spain has managed to pay them at 11 euros with that shopping center, it is because in most European countries they have already done so for a long time.Here we always do things late and bad.
01/22/2013 8:06 a.m.
En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?
To me that a pharmaceutical company becomes more or less rich, brings it to Pairo.
The problem comes when that pharmaceutical company (along with others):
- Pay 100% of the diabetological education materials used in Spain.
- They pay most of the courses and days destined for educators/is in diabetes in Spain (I remember that there is not even the specialty of educator within nursing).
- They subsidize their benefits the free of glucometers in Spain (look to see in which other countries are free and tell me).
- Not to mention collaborations with patient associations
- And to a lesser extent they finance the training of new doctors specialists in diabetes.I say to a lesser extent because in addition to reactive strips, doctors are easier to reach insulin companies, bombs, oars etc.
Yes, all that should be done by the State ... but it has never done so and will never do it, neither in this or other disease.
The problem comes to patients, anyone else.
Yes, in the short term the administration saves money ... in the medium and long term, this means worse conditions of patient care, especially diabetological education (and that we are already very bad)
In case it was not enough, I remember the principle ... The first problem is that they are going to buy less strips than they are being bought now.
01/22/2013 11:53 a.m.
To me that a pharmaceutical company becomes more or less rich, brings it to pairo.
Well, it seems very hard to get rich with consumables for this disease and on top of having the minimum interest in cureing it, when that should be its main interest.And it seems very mafia not to let other companies make cheaper compatible strips.
The problem comes when that pharmaceutical company (along with others):
- Pay 100% of the diabetological education materials used in Spain.
- They pay most of the courses and days destined for educators/is in diabetes in Spain (I remember that there is not even the specialty of educator within nursing).
- They subsidize their benefits the free of glucometers in Spain (look to see in which other countries are free and tell me).
- Not to mention collaborations with patient associations
- And to a lesser extent they finance the training of new doctors specialists in diabetes.I say to a lesser extent because in addition to reactive strips, doctors are easier to reach insulin companies, bombs, oars etc
Well, I'm glad almost all that.Subsidize associations (it seems fatal to me to be in pharmaceuticals) and diabetological education and that someone dedicates themselves to looking for better treatments and stop living from the story.
Yes, in the short term the administration saves money ... in the medium and long term, this means worse conditions of care for patients, especially diabetological education (and that we are already very bad)
The nurses, endocrine and educators that I have found in my almost 20 years of illness have never served me at all, rather on the contrary.Every time they gave me advice or changed an insulin they fuck me based on good.And my endocrine says that I tell him the insulin model and the reference number that I want, that he cannot know them all.Let's go a wonder of education.
Moreover, I carried and accepted my diabetes well, until they forced me to go to a diabetological education course, I have such depression of all the misfortunes that were going to happen to us that I was months eating chocolate and Bolleria at all hours from what depressedThat was.
That seems fatal to me but I already pay half of my strips and at 45 euros the box.And I have to pay all my gluconometers (skept the first one they gave me in the hospital).Although I do not miss me that they give them with the armed robbery that are the current price of the strips.
01/22/2013 1:47 p.m.
En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?
Why do you pay half the price of the strips?
I have not met anyone in Spain to have bought its glucometer ... at least in the last 9 years;I don't know before.
It seems that I defend pharmaceuticals ...:-/:-/
I will say it once again, the one who discovers the cure of diabetes will win as 100 times more than all pharmaceutical companies together.
Do you know what Bayer won with aspirin?Well, that but bigger.
Everyone is interested in making money ... They are private companies, where people, professionals, who earn their money, a lot of money because they are very highly specialized personnel.Why should these people have to pay?Come on, man ...
What should be public research?Of course ... but money is not infinite and does not give to investigate 100% of the tropecient diseases that exist.
But come on, surely all the endocrine, all educators, all patient associations and all the idiots that we have ever left hours trying to help other patients have lived from the story, only to appear and charge go to know what prebendas ofThe mafia those of the pharmaceutical industry.
Better go to the chaman/homeopath of the corner and that heals us, like the fools of reversing the diabetes that visit us every so often for this forum.
Yes, this is much better, of course.
01/22/2013 2:03 p.m.
Companies clear that they look but like all because they are not NGOs, well there will be some NGOs that also look, but nobody forces them to invest in teaching doctors, nurses, educators, associations and they do it (there are also doctors or nursesthat they are not interested in learning, or that what they say is what it is).
Will they be interested in finding the cure?I do not know but if they found it, they would already have another way of profit, because if the patents do not understand the genents and when the generic ones come out no longer profit.
By the way I am not defending them but in the capitalist society in which we live, who does not profit?Those who cannot ...
By the way there is someone who has paid for the glucometers, in the last years I do not have to buy, well to me not my parents, 30,000pts or € 180, a little click, (the amounts are 20 years agoor more) the second delivering the first + € 60, the others no longer remember. The strips cost € 18 with medical recipe in addition to said recipe had to be signed by the medical inspector I do not know if the boat brought 25 or 50 also were for colorNot like Syringullas savings, I also have them to buy, then they began to supply them.
Yes, from the beginning until now this has advanced a lot and hopefully continue but how they do that, I don't know who is going to investigate.
By the way I started with crystal baring with a piece of needle that is scary every time I see it, with 40ui/ml the 100ui/ml sonsba to Chinoor to revenge ...
01/22/2013 4:49 p.m.
DM1 desde el 81 antes de naranjito.
Con bomba desde 2012
Minimed Veo parading
Minimed 640g desde 06/2015
Minimed 640g desde 19/03/2016 la 2a
Minimed 780g desde el 23/03/2021
Hemoglobina 12/01/2021->6.1
28/07/2021-> 6.4
Why do you pay half the price of the strips?
Because they only give me 4 strips a day and I need about 8. I have claimed countless times and I have not achieved anything.I have not met anyone in Spain that their glucometer has been bought ... at least in the last 9 years;I don't know before.
Well, I have bought them, although total there are 30-40 euros and about 10 strips are inside ... with the money that spends me in strips to buy a new glucometer every 6 or 7 years it has no importance.I will say again once again, the one who discovers the cure of diabetes will win about 100 times more than all pharmaceutical companies together.
Do you know what Bayer won with aspirin?Well, but bigger.
Is aspirin the cure for a disease?First news.: Shock:
Everyone is interested in earning money ... They are private companies, where people work, professionals, who earn their money, a lot of money because they are very highly specialized personnel.Why should these people have to pay?Come on, man ...
Of course, and if there was a non -profitable cure, all this poor people would go to the street and not win their salaries, if we do not have a heart the diabetics that we prefer to be investigated for a cure and the money in stupidological education andother cans.
What should there be public research?Of course ... but money is not infinite and does not give to investigate 100% of the tropecient diseases that exist.Let's see all investigations to find a cure are public.They are from universities that then they have to set up small businesses to try to get it to the market, the big pharmaceuticals do not investigate that or interest them.They only look for more expensive consumables and insulins to continue winning more pasta.Tell me a cure that great pharmaceuticals have found since they were created more than 50 years ago.And don't tell me aspirin for God.
But we are surely all the endocrine, all educators, all patient associations and all the idiots that we have ever left hours trying to help other patients we have lived from the story, only to appear and charge you go to knowwhat prebendas of the gangsters of the pharmaceutical industry.You are charging for doing nothing.Take the notebook with the analyzes to the endocrine or the nurse with the analyzes and tell you four bullshit that are of no use, often a bargain of work.That is a Teta child.I am not raised that there is so much fear in the sector that a cure is found and you always let go of the mantra that this is forever you have to accept it and never think otherwise.That diabetics are silly and we could excite ourselves for nothing.
Better go to the chaman/homeopath of the corner and that heals us, like the fools of reversing the diabetes that every so often visit us for this forum.
Yes, this is much better, of course.
If each one dedicates himself to what has to be dedicated, the medical community to find priests and not to teach to live with the diseases (who has fabric the thing) would not be necessary for people to go looking for charlatans.
01/23/2013 8:07 a.m.
En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?
I will say again once again, the one who discovers the cure of diabetes will win about 100 times more than all pharmaceutical companies together.
Do you know what Bayer won with aspirin?Well, but bigger.
Is aspirin the cure for a disease?First news.: Shock:
Who has said that aspirin is a cure for a disease?
I compare what Bayer won with the aspirin and what the one who discovered the cure of diabetes would win.
I think reading it is quite well understood what I mean .... for those who want to read it, obviously.
And aspirin has been used for a long time to prevent heart attacks of those that cause deaths ... but they don't heal diseases, of course.
What is cool is to cure, not prevent someone from dying?
Total, but they cure you why you want to live, if it is logical.
And if you live, that it is suffering, nothing to avoid pain, other diseases, complications ... you have to live crushed by diabetes, say yes.
To the rest of things I will not keep going around.
You have exposed your position: doctors should only investigate the cure. Educators, associations (of everything there are), diabetological education, etc. It is useless.
I can't say anything else against that.
01/23/2013 1:43 p.m.
Sherpa41, I share your opinion at some points.The definitive cure, I think if it arrives and not taking long.Of course it will not come from the hand of the pharmaceutical lobby.I think just like you, we are more interested as chronic patients, with exponential benefits for insulin, consumables ... etc, and these, obviously, once the cure arrives, they will disappear.I think they are not even interested in business prestige, they go to the benefits and dividends to shareholders.It happens with diabetes, and with any disease.
On the discoveries they have made in the last 50 years, there will be many, I do not doubt it, but the most benefited, without a doubt, have been marketing and advertising companies, which have the pharmaceutical industry as one of their best clients.
On the other hand is the scientific community, universities, foundations ... that do have a real interest in discovering the cure of this and more diseases, have less means and budget, therefore they have to go more slowly, butThey will arrive, do not hesitate.
Greetings!
01/23/2013 3:29 p.m.
What is cool is to cure, not prevent someone from dying?
I just say that the great pharmaceuticals could ever find some cure, even to hide.For when a thorough investigation of corruption and bad methods in large pharmaceutical ones?
And if you live, that it is suffering, nothing to avoid pain, other diseases, complications ... you have to live crushed by diabetes, say yes.>
But those things are explained to you in 15 minutes (if you don't know it before) on your first visit you do not need a nurse to deplic you and take away the desire to live.
Let's see that I recognize that this issue alters a lot, but to me the doctor when I discovered diabetes, I okay, I had a disease, and immediately told me what I had to do and what not andAll ok.Do not have too many problems, many people have diseases.
But when by obligation (but they didn't give me more material) I had to attend a talk/ conference where delayed nurses gave us a course about "life with diabetes", continuously emphasizing that it had to be accepted and that it would be foreverSpeech that always release (apart from the future dangers), not only depressed me but caused me a lot of anger.
Who are they to tell me that I have to accept the disease, that I do not have to think about possible priests and think that it is forever?I think and I feel what the real gives me.I had to change the hospital twice because I sent them to the fucking shit every time they said those things.: EVIL:
Sherpa41, I share your opinion at some points.The definitive cure, I think if it arrives and not taking long.Of course it will not come from the hand of the pharmaceutical lobby.I think just like you, we are more interested as chronic patients, with exponential benefits for insulin, consumables ... etc, and these, obviously, once the cure arrives, they will disappear.I think they are not even interested in business prestige, they go to the benefits and dividends to shareholders.It happens with diabetes, and with any disease.On the discoveries they have made in the last 50 years, there will be many, I do not doubt it, but the most benefited, without a doubt, have been marketing and advertising companies, which have the pharmaceutical industry as one of their best clients.
On the other hand is the scientific community, universities, foundations ... that do have a real interest in discovering the cure of this and more diseases, have less means and budget, therefore they have to go more slowly, butThey will arrive, do not hesitate.
That is what I think too, but explained in a more quieter plan.: Mrgreen:
01/24/2013 9:02 a.m.
En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?
I also end up buying 1 boat boat per month, they prescribe me 2 and I have to make malarvares to last for the month (3 boats in total)
But I have it clear, I have saved all the pharmacy's tyket to teach it to the Jilip ... of my endocrine that I understand at once
that I really need it, and if he does not bother to do anything, more claims sheets and addressed the director who by the way I already had a talk
On one occasion, and if the thing is not fixed because I will go again to visit it, since in the theme "strips" it seems tabu theme, the endocrine says that it only obeys
Orders -from the number of strips in the district, and the district says no, that on some occasions there is no limit, but what shame ..... I look like a ball that is meaningless from one side to another to look for aSOLUTION WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?What do we do for pleasure?Well, with me they are managing ..., I am more than burn in the matter than the motorcycle of a jipi and about meters?Yes, it is true that in the pharmacy or in any hospital they give it free, but what do new ones like the expert?If it is not here or I find out, wing!For them and that nothing more than the most arrimaos! come!Should we show that we know how to count hydrates to have it?Well, they showed it to me and they gave it to me, but I already say that if it is not for the forum or find out so many things that we will not even find out, because they are not interested in priests of any kind, onlythat we are there every 6 or 8 months to make the notebook and look at it, if you are well palmadita on the back that you are a champion
And if the thing is regular to the educator to get the day of things that you are almost expert, but nothing more comes out - there is no other posivilades as a continuous temporal meter, which if they do it for some or the insulin bomb then thenAccording to them ...., it is the same with a ball than with a bomb, and a milk for them.
01/24/2013 1:08 p.m.
Totally agree with you.These are the things surrounding diabetes that pour out more than diabetes in itself.This continuous fucking is unbearable and crushed the most holy.
01/25/2013 5:54 a.m.