Eating cheese is possible?

regina said:
but that they don't say what the half -life of a paleolithic man was?
Exact!

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The study is neither head of heads, but that does not mean that with a well -focused paleo diet, diabetes cannot be handled well (as with another type of well -planned diet, I do not say that the paleo is better or worse).I think that for cases where diabetes can come from a microbiota altered by non -celiac gluten intolerance could be an adequate diet since you eliminate gluten.If it is also low in hydrates, it can endure a few months without exogenous insulin although that does not mean that it will never need diabetes as it has been cured as it says there.
I believe that in the matter of autoimmune diseases, although scientific studies are lacking, there are many cases of people who greatly improve symptoms with paleo diet.I also believe that diabetes is quite different from other autoimmune diseases, because even if your body stopped attacking your beta cells, you would have lost almost all and you would insulin equally.And the improvement when removing certain foods is not something that is noticed in a few days, it usually takes months or even years.

@"Regina" Life expectancy in the Paleolithic cannot be compared to today because there was a lot.That lowers the life expectancy of a population, but then if you got at age 16 your life expectancy was about 60. And that without having modern medicine and in very hard living conditions.I don't think they were less healthy than now, rather the opposite.Life expectancy is not a fact that says a lot about the health of a population, you have to look at health.Today we live up to 80 or more, but in what conditions do many live?Reaching 80 in a wheelchair or in a bed taking 20 pills a day should not count how to have lived until that age.In the Paleolithic I wish then someone who was not able to walk and fend for himself did not last a day.Modern life expectancy is due to medicine not to food, in fact the food of today may be one of the worst in history because of the large amount of ultraprocessing that are consumed.That if the statistics look at in many cases they are 80% of the shopping basket, you just have to look at what people carry in the car in the supermarket.
Life expectancy is the typical argument that people say against paleo diets that have no foundation.A paleo diet can be perfectly healthy if it is well planned or it can be very bad if it is not like almost any other diet.And it can be useful for people so it does not seem good to be criticized because yes and less with an argument like that of life expectancy in the Paleolithic.As everything is relative.You can wear a diet with perfectly healthy cereals and dairy and also one that will end up causing long -term diseases.Everything depends on which food you choose.An integral mother mass is not the same as one of supermarket with refined flour and fast yeast.And a sugarless natural yogurt is not the same as a dairy dessert full of sugar with flavorings and dyes.If you are not lactose or gluten intolerant, they can be taken without problems but whenever the food is chosen well.And of course if you have any intolerance, however little it is or simply does not feel good, it will not do any good eating it although for other people it can be healthy.For the theme of food you have to adapt to the case of each one, there is no something that works for everyone.And paleo diets based on vegetables, fruits, meat and fish of quality, eggs, nuts, etc. are healthy and for many people they can be a good shapeto reduce the symptoms of some disease without having deficiencies of any nutrient.If you understand paleo diet to swell meat at all hours and little else, because it is not a diet problem, it is a problem that you are focusing it badly.The same goes for vegetarian or vegan diets.

But some lentils, chickpeas with cod or some beans with clams, they cannot be missing in the diet.

@"Regina" that also depends.Legumes do not feel good to everyone.For example, chickpeas and lentils I have no problems but the beans feel fatal (it doesn't matter if I soak them 24 hours, I cut the boil, ..) And that I love.If I know that I spend an afternoon and night swollen and with gut pains so I almost never.It is that each one is different and cannot be generalized.If you feel bad, it is best not to eat it because the nutrients you bring you can get them out of somewhere.
I agree with you that an error of the paleo diet is that it excludes legumes when not everyone feels bad and they are a very healthy food.But if there are people who feel bad and can't eat them.In the end I believe that the diet has to be something personalized for each specific case and in case of doubts it is best to go to a nutritionist, so that there are no shortcomings for excluding food.But not to remove some things has to be a bad diet, you just have to plan it well and to be able to be with the help of a nutrition professional.

I am not going to extend much, but I think that the problem of the paleodieta, rather than in the composition itself in terms of macronutrients, is to give it a kind of fantastic and wonderful halo due to the fact of being something super authentic because it is ancient andBecause it's like we ate in the Paleolithic.I am sure that those of the Paleolithic, of having had vaccines, antibiotics and all the sanitary improvements we have today, would also have lived a lot even if they had eaten cereals.No one is saying that the ultraprocess western diet is healthy, but it is not fair to say that the paleodieta is healthier because they did not eat carbohydrates.I think you don't have to mix concepts.

@"Yesssica_a" about diabetes that comes from a microbiota altered by non -celiac gluten sensitivity ... I don't just understand what you mean.It is known that type 1 diabetes is associated with celiac disease, and vice versa, as well as other autoimmune diseases, such as Addison's vitiligo or disease, but this does not mean that they cause others, but that that individual, byHow is its immune system, it has a tendency to autoimmunity, which can be manifested in many ways.Therefore, neither celiacge causes type 1 diabetes, nor type 1 diabetes causes celiacy, and therefore, gluten does not cause types type 1 diabetes. Now, said that, it is still more difficult for me to relate type 1 diabetes with sensitivity to sensitivityNon -celiac gluten, which precisely differs from "celiacism as such" in that there is no evidence of autoimmunity, nor of atrophy of intestinal villi, nor from allergy or any other biological marker, but rather is a "digestive disorder/functional".For not knowing, it is not known if it is gluten itself what this entity causes.If you know any study that relates it somehow with diabetes, I would like to take a look.

@"Endocrinaantinewage" studies I have only found this:

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That is just a child case but good something is something.Studies are missing to affirm it safely but there is a hypothesis that most autoimmune diseases are caused by an altered microbiota.And people with some gluten intolerance, although they do not become celiac, have an altered microbiota when they consume gluten.
What I have read of this issue is that it seems that when the microbiota is not right, they pass particles to the blood that should not happen and if any of those is a protein similar to another of the body itself, your body identifies it as aStrange and develop antibodies that can end up attacking your cells because they look like.And this ends up causing an autoimmune disease.If the microbiota is restored over time the symptoms improve.In the case of diabetes if there are studies that relate it to celiac disease so it can make sense that when you are not celiac but if gluten intolerant the same occurs even if there are no studies.All this is explained very basically, my knowledge does not arrive to give a more scientific explanation.It is a bit what I have understood of what I have read so far on the subject.

Anecdotal cases do not allow recommendations for the population, but it is good to take them into account for future research.

Regarding the relationship between microbiota and autoimmune diseases, everything is very hypothetical.There are a thousand factors that influence the microbiota and for the moment it is not clear what a healthy microbiota is and what is an altered microbiota.I do not know what the authors were based on what you read to suggest that gluten intake alters the microbiota, and also precisely in people with non -celiac gluten sensitivity (I think it's a lot of assumption of the assumption).But it is convenient to be cautious when associating gluten to type 1 diabetes, and more to use those preclinical hypotheses to justify that paleodieta can help control diabetes by that mechanism.We already know that now there is a lot of "pseudo-scientific, a lotCow's milk is almost like a poison or that the histamine of food causes migraine.

@"Yesssica_a" You already know the story of a diabetic child who was cured with a gluten -free diet.My story is that I am a "very diabetic 'celiac.
It will be of interest, I recommend that you read several Spanish scholars of Celiaquia;Dra Polanco is a crack.On non -celiac gluten sensitivity Dr Fernando Fernández Bañares.Fortunately here on homeland there are many eminences that are investigating a lot.What is known for sure is that it is not known exactly what causes that sensitivity (? Gluten, wheat?) And most importantly, that there is no mediated autoimmunity.
As a ratio of the gluten -free diet and the paleo !!By God, I now consume a diversity of cereals that I did not know that they existed.

Yesssica_a said:
@"Amélie" according to what I have read the saturated fats present naturally in food do not give any health problem, this includes cheese.The only fats that in all studies are poorly stopped are trans (nitrogenated) that are added to processed foods, margarines, etc.Vacua meat also has some trans, but natural fat, and in studies it has not been related to diseases.
All the fear of fats comes from an Ancel Keys studio (study of the sietes countries) that shortly after publishing it is disremed that was manipulated since it only used the data from 7 countries of the 22 it had.In those 7 countries, its theory of fats and cardiovascular disease was fulfilled but in the rest of the countries there were not (there were France in which the consumption of saturated fat was very high and very low cardiovascular disease rates, and others in which noThere was no relationship).In addition to being an observational study that already does not demonstrate much.If you are interested, you can easily find the Internet with a search on Ancel Keys and study of the seven countries.
Since then the studies that have been done have not been related to saturated fat and cardiovascular disease.It is more in much of the patients suffering from infarcts, the LDL was within the limits considered safe.Look also what is analyzed in a typical cholesterol analysis (which is quantity) and the really important (number of particles of each type), there are many explanations (some even with drawings) that explain it very well.
What is seen is that HDL protects against cardiovascular diseases so if you have something great.
Another thing you can look for is the explanation of why diet cholesterol does not influence blood cholesterol, since the body is able to adapt production to needs (which are always far superior to intake even in people who consumea lot of cholesterol).It only causes problem in people suffering from some lipid metabolism disorder.
What is being seen in the last studies is that what can upload LDL cholesterol and triglycerides (which are better cardiovascular risk indicator) is the consumption of sugars and processed products in general (which are loaded with sugars and refined flours).Also seek information about this if you are interested to see the explanation because it is quite technical and I would not know how to tell you.
I personally like eggs daily (minimum 2 although I have come to eat up to 6 in one day), enough cheese and in general fat (avocado, virgin olive oil, nuts, fish, meat and whole dairy) and I have never had theHigh LDL cholesterol.Of course sugar as nothing, flour either (neither (neither integral), no processing and few foods with a lot of hydrate.The thing about hydrates is because to have good control is what is doing better, I do not say that all hydrates are bad.Yes I think processed products, sugar and refined flours are bad, but there are hydrates such as potatoes, legumes, rice ... I don't think they give any problem.Although in my case I consume in small quantities to avoid peaks and not daily because I have better control.But well that is already a personal decision after experimenting with different options.
In short, if you worry about the cholesterol of your analytics, find out about what I have told you and take out your own conclusions.Until I started reading about this, I was also afraid to eat fats and food with a lot of cholesterol but now how without worrying.

You are right, this does not say that you comment only a doctor or scientist are many, in the Congress of August 2017 inBarcelona "Pure", the pharmaceutical industry and all those doctors and health personnel who say that carbohydrates are good, I mean the prosecuted bread, pasta, sugar, flours, flour from wheat, cakes and others the comingof vegetables such as lettuce, kale and others you have to take them in moderation and only from 6 pm, in the morning you have to breakfast fat as you say so that you do not have to make any food in between, since that wayIncrease glucose, at food the same eating fat and trying to get to dinner without hunger, and try to take just an infusion of anything, I have removed all the medication for diabetes and complications, evenInsulin, and I am perfectly going down weight and glucose levels since I started with the Grez method that speaks precisely about what you indicate, in the morning that was my problem since it was difficult for me to lose from 160 mg/dlToday, for example, it gave me 92 mg/dl I am very happy with this method since everything is joys, if you want all those who are type 2, forget about carbohydrates are those that produce inflammation, arrhythmias, heart attacks, II am sorry to say it but for my part the conventional medicine that is taught at the university with the slides that control the food and pharmaceutical industries, are wrong and only make you sick more, I refer to my own experiences and in 11 months I have improved a lotAnd contrary to what they tell you, the cholesterol has lowered me, I do not have to count calories or inject the insulin cancer or take those drugs that are poison and not natural since there is no natural plant where they grow.My breakfast for example of today 1 spelled tortita, smeared with a cow that laughs no light, and slices of sausage palles, infusion of green coffee with sage and almond milk and with this I arrived at 14 hours practically withouthunger.

cristarivera said:
is true @Jessica, I finish or measure myself and I am much higher with 345 in capillary at two hours of having breakfast.At noon I will put some insulin to get off and eat without practically hydrates to see if it goes down once.My ratio at noon is 0.6 so I have no idea what to wear.I will take cooked chicken and about 40 gr of potato and now.Anyway, I will be lacuent and I will correct myself as I can

Cristina please the same problem that you have now I had 11 months ago and I have had it for 10 long years.

If you love you well, which is free not to take any refined hydrochloride, try it is free and it will not affect your health, the otherwise you will see improvement.Do it please you will find yourself as I have been 11 months.

I do not follow the paleolithic diet, but if the LCHF diet, which in a way is similar to paleolithic some things, and I do have type 2 diabetes, therefore I suffer it and speak accordingly, since it is easy to speak whenHe does not suffer, I only tell him one thing at the time I left all "all" the medications for diabetes and complications of it, even insulin, my levels in all aspects began to improve with this type of diet, of whichI am very satisfied, with having debris of the damn rapid absorption carbohydrates, I would invite you to be updated in how things of nutrition for diabetes go since there are more than 4000 studies for saying something that is surely more, more,that reducing this type of carbohydrates the diabetics, and this is something that I have experienced myself, we have a very prompt improvement without having calories, I speak in what is my case diabetes of type 2.

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A high diet in carbohydrates worsens cardiovascular risk
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90 years and has been in insulin.It won't be so bad, right?
What hurts most is that we left @"endocrinaantinewage"

Fer this illustrious doctor forgot in your copy and paste.
Arnaldo Cantani50 (1837-1893), an eminent doctor born in Bohemia, of
Italian family, botanist, pharmacologist and scholar of metabolism;Professor in
Pavia and Naples, classifies the history of diabetes in four periods:
1º.- The one who begins with Celso and Areteo, already cited,
2º.- He who does it, in 1674, with Thomas Willis, who points to the flavor
sugary of the urine of diabetics to distinguish diabetes mellitus from the
Diabetes insipid.
3º.- From 1791, with John Roll, which refers to gastric etiology
of the disease and proposes a diet rich in flesh and fat.
4º.- Since 1841, Claude Bernard's works open a new stage
When discovering the synthesis, storage and liberation of glycogen in the
liver.

Bouchardat prohibited all fruits and jams of any kind, the bread of any cereal, carrots, turnips and other roots rich in starchy and sugary,
as well as onions, chestnuts, beans, peas, beans and lentils.Nor did it allow the consumption of honey, beer, milk, cider and sparkling wines and lemon or soda soda given, as he said, that they have elements that are not used by the organism for anything and do nothing but increase the urinary sugar emission.
It allowed Cormier's gluten bread, the use of eggs and egg yolks in soups and chocolate.He vividly recommended all ox meats, lamb, ram or veal, or smoked or salted safeles, dry or served with olive oil, or fine herbs.The fish was to be fried or in sauce and cheeses, eggs and creams were also recommended.
He authorized sweets made with gluten flour, outlawing common flour, which did not authorize in the sauces, which should be prepared with butter and egg yolks with gluten flour or pure saving.Fats of animal and plant origin and alcohol replaced the veiled hydrates.
A little cream could be added to coffee and tea instead of sugar, brandy, kirsch or pure glycerin.How has the thing changed to bother?A lie is repeated so much that eventually seems true.

Von mering establishes three forms of diet: the severísima, which prohibits totally carbohydrates and apart from fats, only allows some
120 grams of albumin per day.It is used in very rare cases and a few days;the severe in which the patient receives 500 grs of cooked or roasted meat (which
correspond to about 700 grs of raw meat) 100 or 200 grs.Of butter -shaped fat, cream, fatty ham, bacon, olive oil or
of fatty sauces, and moderate amounts of salad and green legumes, all contain some hydrates but it is convenient to allow them, according to von
Mering, because there is no danger of coma and digestive disorders.
Instead of meat, eggs, fish or cheese can be given;And the slight, as the previous one but allows moderate amounts of foods such as bread,
based on about 100 grs/ day.
Bread.
The use and consumption of bread in the diabetic diet, which already roll and frerichs, which were realistic, authorized, in small quantity, given the rooted of their consumption among the general population, it has been an important battle horse among the authors,that has occupied many pages.Several of them, among which are Dujardin-Beaumetz and Nóvoa, are
according to the use of gluten bread that already, in its time, recommended Bouchardat, but regret that the industrial one is of good quality.
Breads of the most diverse characteristics were designed: gluten, aleurone, soybeans, legumes, cookie type, special, etc., etc. in general, as we said, by a moderate and tasted consumption.
As you can see about the LCHF diet it is not a fashion of now but already several scientist.Doctors and others recommended it in the nineteenth century

I of the only diet that I understand is the healthy one, which is based on fresh vegetables and fruits, legumes, whole grain cereals, healthy fats, dairy and no processing or excess proteins.At this point I have been able to verify that due to ignorance, stress, the current way of life, the quality of our diet, fortunately there are those who realize and try to improve, the bad thing is that due to ignorance they leaveKeep up promising diets that do not make us win precisely in health and nutrients.Nutrition covers a wide field of knowledge and experimentation on a personal level that requires observation, knowledge and care.The mental aspect also influences because it is normal that with this pathology there are moments that we can feel bad or displaced by not eating in the way others do, although I think it is the others that should feed as a diabetic, they would save onmedicines.With all this, just tell you that feeding properly is to love and enjoy and I think that few people value, thank and enjoy food as much as a diabetic because from experience we know what it is to have to control.