Inexplicable declines

For approximately 1 month, my son seems to have on his own insulin super production in the morning, it is something that has fully confused me.

Use insulin pump and have the basal stop from 9 to 14, 5 hours without introducing absolutely nothing insulin and at 11 lunch in the school, pastes a rise over 250 and about 12:30 you have to give it something again because it goes downAnd at 2 when we pick him up we have to give him something again because he goes up a little with what he takes at 12:30 and then falls back.

And all that without insulin in the body.I don't know what to do.

I want to avoid the rise in lunch it is but I'm afraid to put insulin and then fall more bitter.

Has this ever happened to seem to be insulin created by pancreas itself?

Thank you!

If you have the pump stop so many hours and it can be your pancreas, something safe has to work but you would create ketone bodies.When does it go up to 250 then go down without putting insulin?What does the endocrine tell you?What city are you in case anyone knows a specialist in infant endocrinology and who understands bombs?
Fixing what we are going I see complicated as well as after breakfast that starts playing and not stop and that makes it lower glucose.

Hello @"jconegar", after the climb that over 250 we do not rectify it with insulin, low alone.That is, from 9 to 14 it is without any insulin and has to take something at 11, at 12:30 and at 14:00 because if you do not go to a safe hypo.And of course, take something and go up and then go down again, a real roller coaster.Before it was never like that and the rest of the day is usually more or less stable.I am from Ciudad Real.

It occurs to me that the problem may be that the last insulin that puts the pump at 9 before the stop is what makes it effect.Keep in mind that the rapids have up to 4-5 hours of effect and that together with which their body will still produce some insulin because it gives it the downturn.The same if you stop a little before the basal does not give him the downturn at that time.And to avoid mid -morning peak something with very little hydrate the same works and does not give it the descent of 12:30 because your body will release very little insulin for that meal.The more hydrate, the more insulin will try to produce his body and if he has something that has been put because that can be what I explained the downturn.
Breakfast also does it without insulin?Because if you are getting bolus for breakfast it can also be the one that still lasts the effect until 12:30.The duration of insulins is not always what pharmaceuticals tell us, in some people they last more than in others.
If you can consult with the endocrine to see if it gives you any solution.

Breakfast does it with insulin at 8 in the morning and when they consult with the endocrine and see their levels he told us.My mother, if this is nowhere to take it.And we were studying it and we didn't know what to do.Simply rectifying the descents with hydrates and that despite that climb after lunch he told us that we could not stop giving him lunch even because if he did not go down it would be more pronounced.But I don't like to see him in those figures

It is a complicated case.I would try the basal a little earlier.If you already put bolus at 8 for breakfast then stop the basal from 8 to see if something shows.The last one that puts the bomb at 9 if it can be taking effect at 12 because it is only 3 hours since it puts it.Even the bolus of the 8 may be taking effect.And for lunch I would give him something very slow to try to minimize the peak but that does not reach Hicfo later.The same with fat so that it is absorbed later.For example, homemade cookies with crushed nuts, butter and oatmeal is quite slow and with the equal fat helps you rise progressive and do not make it so much peak.You can also make cookies or muffins with almond flour (it is crushed almond) and black chocolate chocolate pieces.With almond and cocoa fat should rise slowly and fruit fiber would also slow down.And if you take something salty then include a cured cheese that carries a lot of fat.

Thank you very much @"yesssica_a" for the recommendations, it seems successful to me what you tell me to put fat to slow the subodis.We will try at home these 4 days that it has no school and if we succeed.I will tell you how the test comes out.

Let's see if someone knew any endocrine that is specialized in children especially.

Maybe changing breakfast and lunch for slower hydrates .. with whole wheat bread with butter or cheese .. or fiber cookies .., there are some of dinosaurs ..

Hello.So you seem that your child still has their own pancreatic function.
You can try, as you have already told you to avoid carbohydrates at lunch, to see if it does not produce that 250 peak, but a slower increase.
Enter fat and protein, to see what happens.
Avoiding the peak, the reaction of the pancreas is also avoided trying to lower it and with it the subsequent descent.

@"Dalu" When I have those mornings of descending peak I do very well and I take advantage of it because I love to take 3-4 ounces of black chocolate that I have proven that it does not make me much peak and it keeps me more stable time, to tryThat it is not, obviously you have to like chocolate and eat it in the proportion, age-height-peso ..

Thanks @"sigsauer" for the Council.Yesterday we gave you integral panecillos with a piece of cured cheese as you had advised me and told us that the cheese was eaten, (and that it loves) and today we have tried instead of giving it its ration of the lunch followed.Divide it into two parts with 1 hour difference, it has reached a maximum of 177 as the bomb indicated but before eating we had to give it something again because it went down again

Hi: When did your son debuted?If it was less than a year ago it can be for the honeymoon you can spend a year without insulin I spent 6 months and surely it still has beta cells that still produce some insulin if it has been debuting for more than a year